3 X 18: D.O.C.
I cannot believe that Juliet knows for sure the “Date of Conception.” She asked Sun the last time she was with her husband, but shouldn’t she have been asking the last time she had her period? Isn’t that what doctor’s normally ask? Or are you always ovulating on this island (whew, imagine the PMS!). Couldn’t Juliet also be lying to Sun because she wants to manipulate her into letting her be Sun’s caretaker? Maybe Sun did get pregnant off the island, how would she really know? She is depending on Juliet for a truth and that, my friends, is scary.
1. Here’s a possibility for Jack. Ben/The Others have somehow forged another bargain with him. He gets all the info that he can (whatever it is that they want) and they let him go. Jack thinks that if he gets off the island he can save them all. The whole scene with Jack coming up to Sun about her pregnancy was just too suspicious. But, his dialog and actions are so ambiguous right now it’s driving me crazy! It’s like the old days when something seemed so obvious on this show but you still just weren’t sure you had it quite figured out. Could our suspicions of Jack be throwing us off the scent of someone else?
2. I was just wondering why in Korea you would have the name of your company written in the English alphabet. Everything else is in Korean. I guess I also didn’t realize Sun’s father was in the automotive business either.
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3. I’m wondering if Sun’s father found Jin’s mother and offered her the $100,000 to scam Sun. Bear with me here. Mr. Paik wants Jin to work for him so he can “own” him. He knows that he can’t just ask him, Sun would never let him take the job (she knows what he really does, remember?). So he digs up some dirt on Jin (who, by the way, he doesn’t like anyway). Mr. Paik hires his mother to pull of this scam knowing that Sun will do anything to protect her new husband but she has no money of her own so she will have to come to him. Now Sun cannot possibly tell Jin ‘no’ that he can’t work for her father. So Jin and Sun are basically scammed into Jin taking this job.
4. Jin’s been in the army. That explains the Jackie Chan moves later and it leaves the possibility for lots of crossovers (Sayid, possibly Jack and Sawyer, Desmond, Kate’s dad).
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5. OK, so is Kate working with the Others? It all seems very set up how Kate is evasive about Jack possibly working with the Others then reveals to Sun about Juliet being a fertility researcher. Then when Sun confronts Juliet right at the moment she tells her pregnant women die, Kate pulls Sun away. Seems a bit fishy here. Screw that Kate! I would stand there and want more answers. Someone told me I was going to die I wouldn’t just walk away and get answers later.
6. Mikhail wanted to be caught by Desmond and co. He probably had something to do with the helicopter crash, he sees the flare and knows someone lived. There is no way that he doesn’t have some sort of backup for the communication station. Especially since his “house” was rigged with all those explosives, he surely had a back up plan and parts of it could have survived (remember how the original hatch had blast doors and then we see the huge door that Juliet opens in the medical hatch?). So he comes running only to find these guys got to her first. He knows the only way to talk to her is to somehow get in with these guys. He can’t just say “Dudes, I’m a medic. Let me help!” But he has to know she is hurt and runs his own scam to get near her.
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7. It was translated at another site that outside of saying that she’s dying, she also says that she is not alone. She says this to Mikhail. A threat or information?
8. Check out the trophy that Jin’s dad has. It’s sitting behind Sun. I think it’s safe to assume that this was Jin’s. It explains the karate moves (or whatever fighting style it was).
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9. Here’s more reason to think that Mr. Paik set up this scam. In his safe, there is only enough cash to cover the bribe. He doesn’t count it, he just takes it out and puts in in the envelope. It’s not like there is a bunch of cash in there. When he takes out the $100,000, that’s it besides what looks like a book.
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10. Mikhail taunts Charlie when he says, “Sorry, what?” knowing that Charlie lost part of his hearing in the blast (remember Charlie telling Claire when he came back to camp that he was having trouble hearing out of his left ear?). I have a feeling these two will meet again but I’m not so sure Charlie could take this guy on.
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11. So people heal on the island more quickly than other places. It’s reasonable then that Mikhail wasn’t dead. But why did Boone die? Would the Marshall have lived? And it must be that whatever healing force is on this island sees that a pregnancy is like a cancer/foreign invader and that is why the baby dies but it doesn’t explain why the mother also dies. Wouldn’t she just miscarry? Plus, why solve the mystery at all? Why not live on the island, conceive off the island and go about your business? Is this leading us to what the big mystery is that Sayid would kill Juliet if they knew the truth of what the Others were doing?
12. If Sun did get pregnant on the island, check this out that I found:
And get this … according to the Lostpedia Timeline http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Timeline:October_2004, the day of conception was Day 35, Tuesday, October 26, 2004.
The problem is that two days earlier, Sun speaks English in front of Jin, embarassing him (and surprising everyone else) which causes him to move to the beach. It appears they are not on speaking terms until the raft is launched on Day 44, Thursday, November 4, 2004. (Exodus Part I)
So it appears that they did not speak to each other for 9 days … 9 long lonely days.
13. Hopefully Sun followed Juliet back into the hatch when she said she was going to “cover their tracks.” Sun has been very questioning up until now and I would think that she would find this suspicious.
14. What kind of samples are they trying to get from the women? What kind of sample did they just get from Sun? It wasn’t invasive. It was an ultrasound.
15. It was brought up that back on the Oceanic Airlines website (remember this from season one) that when you moved the cursor over flight 815 the number changed to 777. I also remember talk that the passengers were routed to a different gate and got on a different plane, not 815. So, to play back on those theories, maybe each and every one of these survivors were meant to be on this island but they never were really on the right flight. That would explain why they could find flight 815 and no one would have survived. Crash the plane, burn it up, and everyone thinks the passengers are dead.
April 29th, 2007 at 10:59 pm
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April 30th, 2007 at 4:59 pm
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April 30th, 2007 at 10:28 pm
Oh, nice catch with when Sun and Jin would have conceived. Thanks for posting that. I’m also confused about the samples Juliet is taking. We didn’t see her take any from Sun, but sometimes on Lost what we don’t see ends up important later. It can’t be blood. They already took blood from Kate.
May 1st, 2007 at 5:18 am
Yeah, I like the idea that the plane got washed out to sea and found later empty etc etc. I’m still reflecting on the third police man (desmonds book from the hatch) which has a real after-life, hell, purgatory feel. More hell actually. Wikipedia defines purgatory as the process where “All who die in God’s grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation; but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the bliss of heaven”…. i’m thinking there all dead and that there being tested in this version of pugatory, but not guaranteed to goto heaven.
May 1st, 2007 at 12:20 pm
I was amazed when they did my ultrasound. They asked me the date of my last period and according to that date I was due in August. After the ultrasound they told me the actual date I conceived, which was a whole month later. I interpretted Juliet asking Sun when she was last with her husband to find out if the baby was Jins or not. I am assuming Juliet knows of Suns affair.
May 1st, 2007 at 4:50 pm
The writers have stood fast since season one that they are *not* dead. Maybe the mainland is the *heaven* and the island is their purgatory. They have to be purified before they can go back. BUT, knowing that Dharma set up a dummy plane to make it look like they are dead, I don’t think they ever really intended to send them back. I wouldn’t be surprised if Juliet finds out at some point that her sister was told that she died.
Lilleegrrl, congrats! Good thing you conceived on the mainland (lol).
May 2nd, 2007 at 11:13 am
Ok, so first off, Sun’s dad is not in the automotive business. This is his cover. Remember, she tells him that she know what he ‘really’ does and will not tell as long as he give her the money (conveniently counted out and wrapped in stacks). I agree with the con to get him to work for Mr. Paik. I wonder if Paik, Jack’s dad, and Lock’s father are all part of the mensa group? That would make a cool connection of highly intelligent investors all interested in one seriously messed up experiment.
P.S. she is not prego by Jin, trickery folks!!! If they can convince her that she has a ‘high risk’ pregnancy, then they can keep collecting data on her! The baby is illagit and Julliet knows it! Julliette needs the others to think it is not so that they will keep her alive!
P.s.s I thought the part of Sun and Jin’s father was one of the most touching scenes to date on this show!
I don’t think they could have intended for everyone to all be on the plane or to crash… didn’t the writers say that the plane crash was explainable and then show us Desmond turning the key that caused for the magnetic pull? Also, Ben did not seem like they were expecting visitors when they saw the plane go down…unless, of course, the other others shot them out of the sky and that was part of the plan??? Where are the others #2 anyway??
Oh and can we please stop having the Desmond visions? I really like it better when everything was explainable and not speculative stuff like visions (unless they are cool drugged-up visions like the Lock smoke tent stuff…). This seeing the future stuff is crap! I don’t like it! I say bury it with Ken and Barbie!
One last request – where are Rose and Bernard?
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