Comments on: 4 X 12: There’s No Place Like Home (Pt1)

by: Gitsie Girl

Sat, 24 May 2008 01:29:22 +0000

I don’t know Gary. I still think they killed them off because of my campaign against them (lol). For those of you who weren’t around, check out my “Barbie and Ken Must Die” series here at the site. Seriously, though, I read while they were on the show that the writers didn’t expect but were well aware of the extreme dislike of these two.

As far as the dead and being buried, remember how the Others sent their dead out to sea (the lady that Sun shot, I can’t remember her name). So something is there with bodies that aren’t buried.

Smith: I still don’t think (and don’t WANT) it to be Sawyer in that coffin. Agreed, after x-amount of years passed their popularity would wane, but I would think that the newspaper article’s heading would have still mentioned the “Oceanic Six.” And yes, spacing is nice for those of us with attention problems (thus, my numeration).

by: GaryG

Fri, 23 May 2008 00:33:53 +0000

There’s been one episode that has always kind of upset me because it really never fit in with all the other shows. I’m talking about the show with Nikki and Paolo. I mean, why introduce new characters just to kill them off in the way they did. Now I’m wondering with the appearance of Jack’s father as well as Charlie and other characters who’ve died as well as my questions about Richard and his seeming immorality - just maybe that show was symbolic. Nikki and Paolo were buried alive. I wonder if the meaning of this was a hint that those who’ve been buried may not necessarily mean that they must remain dead. Jack never did find his father’s body in the casket. Mr Eko’s brother’s body disappeared from the plane. When Hurley said to Charlie at the Institute, “You’re dead, dude!” Charlie answered back something like, “Yes, I am. But I’m also here.” There’s also the way some of the Others have reacted to certain situations. Miss Clue didn’t seem too worried when she told Cyclops to kill her. Cyclops himself kept coming back when we thought he was surely dead. When he told Ben, “It’s a good thing the fence wasn’t set to a leathal level.” Maybe he didn’t want Ben to know the whole truth or he was covering in front of Locke. I’m sure Kate, Sayid and Locke would be able to tell a dead person from someone who was still alive. Well, just a thought.

by: GaryG

Thu, 22 May 2008 01:50:06 +0000

I was thinking about the time line I wrote up. Didn’t the movie indoctrination for the Swan station that Jack and Locke watched have a copy right date at the end of it? I believe that date was 1980 and in the film they mention the Incident which would mean the Incident happened long before the last time the island was moved which according to Horace was 1989.

by: Smith

Thu, 22 May 2008 00:06:09 +0000

Ah, never mind. No indentation.

by: Smith

Thu, 22 May 2008 00:03:15 +0000

Gitsie Girl: I couldn’t agree with you more that any of them dying would be terrible. It’s a testament to Lost’s awesomeness that we’re all able to feel such a connection with these characters. Hell, it still makes me sad whenever I remind myself that it’s just a fictional show and that I’ll never really meet any of them.

I admit that my logic was flawed in rejecting Alpert as a likely candidate for the dead man. If the Others are indeed taking Kate and Sayid to the Orchid (and come on, who doesn’t think they are?), then it’s very likely that he and Jack will meet. I guess I was just in denial.

I would also put Sawyer up as a likely candidate as well, if not for his aforementioned connection with Kate. You might ask how I could possibly suggest that he could die. My reason is a purely narrative one. Sawyer has, unfortunately, pretty much expended his use on this show. The character’s entire motivation (The evil man who was responsible for his family’s death) was neatly wrapped up last season. We all love the humor and kickassery that he brings to the show. However, unless he has some major revelation up ahead (like Locke’s “Chosen One” status reveal, which breathed new life into the character) I can’t see him surviving for too long. Perhaps he won’t be Hoffs/Drawlar’s newest client, but to me it seems likely that he’ll kick the bucket in some manner soon.

As I mentioned above, Locke’s become an integral part of the show again with “Cabin Fever”. (personally, I thought that he was being set up to die through pretty much all of the 3rd season) This means that he may be spared from the coffin. However, the other characters’ responses to the death seem to fit so well with his character… This show is so confusing… Well, for now, I’ll have to stick with Locke, but none of the characters would surprise me. Even Sayid could be possible (he’s got no family, and two years may have pushed the Oceanic 6 out of the public consciousness). Damn these brilliant writers!

P.S. I hope you all enjoy the brand new Smith comments™ with indentation and spaces between paragraphs. I was reading some of my earlier ones, and man is it tiresome. It’s a testament to Gitsie Girl’s great theories that I have so much to write.

by: GaryG

Wed, 21 May 2008 18:39:00 +0000

I’m thinking Richard is one of the “dead” on the island, like Charlie and Jack’s father. Remember Ben’s comment to Richard on Ben’s birthday when he asked Richard, “You do remember birthdays, don’t you?” I believe that was a hint. If Richard is dead, he wouldn’t age anymore. We know that the dead do appear off the island because Hurley saw Charlie at the institute and Michael saw Libby at the hospital. I thought of this before, but it’s starting to make more sense now that Jack’s father seems to be coming back as a main character again.

by: 1 of the losties

Wed, 21 May 2008 13:00:44 +0000

hey just a really out there theory, could the “island” be something like the movie “the island” starring Scarlett Johanson?????? Just a thought, anything is possible. That would explain why hurley can see charlie, beside charlie being dead that is

Also about Richard being a twin could be right but how does that explain him never getting older? Just had a brain flash what about Richard (twin 1) being a constant for Richard (twin 2) in the past????

What do you guys think???

by: GaryG

Wed, 21 May 2008 06:45:01 +0000

I wrote up a time-line of events from the information we’ve had on the show so far. It’d be cool to try and keep this up to date and add more to it.

1987/88 - Danielle is shipwrecked on the island (if Sayid’s calculations are correct) and Alex is taken, I’m assuming by the Hostiles since the Dharma Inititive is still active on the island.

1989 - The last time the island was moved according to Ben. Cause of the “Incident?”

1991 - Desert Storm. Kate’s father (not the one she killed…LOL), Calvin (the guy who pulled Desmond into the hatch) meet up with Sayid and get him to torture his Commanding Officer to get information on a missing pilot.

1991/92 - Somewhere in here Calvin joins the Dharma Inititive and gets assigned to the Swan station.

1992 - The hostiles take control of the Island during the purge according to what Horace told Locke.

2000/01 - Desmond begins his solo boat race around the world and gets shipwrecked on the island.

2004 - Flight 815 crashes on the island.

2006 - Jack is back in the real world. He attempts to jump off the bridge and later calls Kate. Information gained from following link:

http://www.gearlog.com/2007/05/lost_season_finale_the_clue_in.php

If anyone else has something to add, please do.

by: Gitsie Girl

Wed, 21 May 2008 00:45:00 +0000

Smith: *applause* Very well said.

I don’t want it to be any of them frankly. Losing Charlie was rough. Don’t know that the old ticker can handle another heart breaker like that. Narrowing it down, Kate would probably not want to see Ben, Locke or Alpert. Ben is alive so it’s not him. Unless Locke pulls a Ben-like-trick out of his hat I don’t know how he’ll get off the island and unnoticed back on land. So my guess would be Alpert. We haven’t seen what he’s up to yet.

However, I’ve recently read an article that the producers were thrilled that Cane tanked because it left Nestor Carbonell (Richard) free to work more on Lost. *UGH* I don’t want it to be any of them!

by: Smith

Wed, 21 May 2008 00:29:07 +0000

I do think it’s too much to assume that there’s two Alperts. It seemed obvious to me that the Others had on their Island clothes for A)camouflage and B)intimidation. (Looking like normal people wouldn’t unnerve their quarry so easily) I have to admit, though, that Keamy’s mercs have them beat in both categories.
I’m not a good theory deviser, but here goes. My theory as to why they captured Sayid and Kate? Ben’s probably been to the future as we saw during his centric episode this season, he knows who’s getting off the island, so he needs them all in one place. I assume that he’s told his cronies to round up the stragglers. Baby Aaron had better stay away from Michael.
As for Abbadon being the person on the plane? It’s possible, but I’m convinced that he has some sort of ulterior motives than Widmore despite working for him. (It’s obvious that Widmore’s in charge of the Oceanic Six’s homecoming by now, right?) And besides, he seems like the kind of guy who would draw more “nervous glances” than “curt nods and smiles”. The legs probably just belong to some random security guard.
My money’s on Locke in the coffin. Everyone besides Hurley hates him for killing Naomi and his splitting up of the survivors, and Hurley’s in the loony-bin at the time. The only problem with my theory is Locke’s mother being alive and well. But still, he seems the most likely candidate. Kate would definitely see Sawyer, Sayid’s funeral would be public, Desmond hasn’t really done anything to deserve everyone ignoring him, Jack hasn’t met Jacob or Alpert, and Ben’s now everyone’s favorite character. I could see Heroes killing off the fan favorite unceremoniously, but not Lost.
If Ben had seen the Island be moved before, it would have to be before Juliet showed up. Unless it’s done in a way that no one on the Island notices. I think that he more likely got knowledge of the Orchid from his Dharma days.
I have to admit that this show’s really picked it up in the “Supporting Characters” category lately. Aside from Tom, Rose, Bernard, and possibly Mikhail, we haven’t had anyone over the first three seasons that did anything special. Now we have Frank, the most interesting Freightie, Keamy, the scariest character this show has seen, Abbadon, the most unreadable creep ever, and several characters that were vaguely compelling before returning to the forefront of our collective consciousnesses: Richard Alpert, Christian Shepherd, Charles Widmore, and Jacob.
Which is the inherent problem with our three “series regular” frieghties. They aren’t really “Main Characters”. Faraday just barely scrapes together that status with his Constant-ness, but Miles has done nothing but be a male Asian Patricia Arquette from Medium, and my mind goes blank whenever Charlotte shows up on screen. At least they have better back stories than Nikki/Paolo.