4X 03: The Economist
See my last post for initial thoughts.
1. Interesting to open with eyes closed. We’ve always seen the one open eye. Obviously, Sayid is different than the others. His eyes are closed when it seems like theoretically his eyes are more *open* than others. But, Sayid hasn’t had a healing or eye opening on the island. If anything, he is more of a killer in the future than before the island.
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2. I didn’t post a picture of a Muslim in prayer but it doesn’t look to me like Sayid is necessarily in a prayer position (anyone out there have insight into this?). Then he opens his eyes and is looking at Naomi’s body. He wants her body off the island for some reason. Either it has something to do with dead bodies somehow being inhabited by Jacob or he is transporting something in/on her body or he knows Naomi or something about her that makes him treat her respectfully.
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3. Naomi’s bracelet inscription pictured here. Instead of Elsa just happening to own the same bracelet, maybe Sayid gave it to her (he kept Naomi’s)? Either it had sentimental value because he cared for Naomi for some reason or it was a connection back to the island. Or, it could be a bracelet given by whomever is hiring them to kill off Ben.
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4. Miles is getting to be quite the funny guy. Miles to Frank: “In case you zoned out while you were tweezing your goatee, one of these yahoos took Charlotte prisoner.” Very high strung.
5. Dane pointed out in comments on the last post that the seven iron is what they were using on the island. Sayid is using the seven iron here. Guess he grew to like the club. Good catch!
6. I don’t think that only 6 from the island have to be the only ones that make it back to land. If Juliet makes it back she probably wouldn’t want to make a big media spectacle because how would she possibly explain or prove where she has been? I think that it’s possible some of the “natives” could make it back but would have to just try to blend back into society without a media fuss.
7. Anyone work at a golf course and know when the sprinklers come on? I thought it was at night which would mean that perhaps someone turned these on to help cover the gunshot and wash away evidence? Also, symbolic of course.
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8. I thought it was funny that Sayid was pretending that he couldn’t read maps. Ironically, he was the one navigating Danielle’s map and the map of the underwater hatch.
9. So Charlotte knows that Ben has a spy back on the freighter boat. I would probably be telling my other team mates when I was reunited about this piece of info first thing. Yet so far she hasn’t said anything about it to them.
10. Theories on where Jacob’s shack is? Hurley saw it flip positions. The creators have been saying since day one that everything can be explained. I guess they didn’t mean in reality, but rather in possibility? I’m not aware of any disappearing cabin theories out there.
11. I think that Jack sends Kate with Sayid on the mission to get Charlotte because he is trying to protect her. Remember when Jack was doing surgery on Ben and told her to run and save herself? I think Jack knows that there is trouble coming and he thinks that Kate will be safer back at the barracks. You know Jack, if he thinks he’s getting off the island he would come back and save her.
12. Elsa’s employer is “old fashioned” when it comes to technology (ie; the pager). Remember back on the island they were using a very old school computer in the hatch and had a record player. There has to be a connection.
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13. Why does Frank tell Daniel that it’s ok to use the phone but to hang up right away if Mankowski gets on the phone?
14. Radio signals and the phones go through right away to the freighter yet animated objects have a time delay. When Daniel sets up his experiment Regina gets the signal “clearly” yet the beacon is delayed.
15. I’ve read a lot of talk about Jack and Frank’s conversation regarding the Red Sox winning the Series. I don’t think that Frank really has a reaction like he’s surprised at Jack’s question. It just seemed like banter to me.
16. 31 minute time delay. So time is moving slower on the island. Anyone want to do the math? After 100 days how far behind in time would they be? There are also biblical scriptures in Daniel that correspond to these numbers if you care to look them up.
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17. Ben’s bookshelf. I doubt they were reading the Qur’an in the bookclub.
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18. Some people are saying that Michael Faraday is on the money. It would be a fun little “Where’s Waldo” of the show. Thoughts?
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19. We can see passports for Brazil, New Zealand in his hands and Japan in the drawer.
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20. This is the best shot I could make of Ben’s passport info. It looks like he was born March 23, 1962 which would make him 42. One of the numbers! I’m sure there are better copies out there so we can see the name and other info on the passport.
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21. Here’s the scene where Saywer comes walking into the room where Kate is looking under the bed. It looks just like when he was a kid and his dad came walking into his room and he was hiding under the bed.
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22. Hurley had some great lines in this one. I loved it when he said to Sayid he knew he could hurt him when he saw him break that guys neck with his break dancing move.
23. Was Miles really a bargaining chip for Sayid? Locke already had him locked up so why would Locke see Miles as a trade for Charlotte? I’m thinking there was another trade made that we will find out about later.
24. Maybe Frank hasn’t heard of Penelope Widmore, but I would bet he has heard the name Widmore… perhaps his boss?
25. So could Sayid’s last mistake of thinking with his heart instead of his gun have anything to do with Nadia? She was his great love, certainly he would have gone looking for her when he got back. And I want to know which friends Sayid is protecting - the Oceanic 6 or the ones left on the island?
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February 16th, 2008 at 2:05 am
Wow. Awesome thoughts. And I love that you have them numbered. It helps me make comments!
In response to point #7, I golf quite often, and where I golf, the sprinklers seemed fairly random. They ran them a lot at 6 in the morning, and also when there were very few people on the course (this was the case in Sayid’s situation).
To point #16: I made a comment on your last post about this, so referencing that will probably make it easier to understand the following:
Although I am not very confident in my theory, 100 days on the island would become about 118 days and 13 hours off the island. This difference doesn’t seem large enough, and that’s why I’m not very confident in it.
A way that would definitely work to find out a close estimate of the time difference would be to (1.) Assume that Locke actually saw older Walt, then (2.) Find out how many days passed between when Walt left of the raft to when Locke saw him, then (3.) Put an estimate on how much older Walt looked, and finally (4.) Do the math.
It is definitely time for bed…
February 17th, 2008 at 9:21 pm
Math! No!
February 19th, 2008 at 6:40 am
Hello all. Just two things…
First i think sayid is suggesting to locke that he is trading kate for charlotte”a war is coming” i.e. john v jack and kate would regarded as his old school right hand man..just a thought
Secound the time delay: work out how long it should take as a ratio to how long it took……
27 secounds - for payload to reach island (from time sent)
1878 secounds - actual time (31 min 18 secounds)
So thats a ratio of 1 secound to 70 secounds (approx)
but you cant assume that there is a time delay of 1 is to 70 because radiowaves, talk etc is not delayed to boat/ world and secoundly there is the fact that daniels watch has been on the island since he jumped from the helicopter so if you a assume there is a constant delay of time, every secound on the island, daniels watch should be running slower that the real world since he got there, not just from the time the payload was sent…
If you follow what i mean (that is heavy) also his watch should read differnet to the losties watches ???
Anyway food for thought !
February 20th, 2008 at 6:07 am
Yeah, Kate. That would make sense. I could see Jack wanting her to go so that Sawyer would protect her if the boat people were bad. I could see Locke wanting her there because it would ensure that Sawyer would stay and he needs Sawyer (who else would fight his war- Hurley? He’s a lover, not a fighter). Good call!
February 20th, 2008 at 8:00 am
Hi people, some more thought on the time calculations.
Actually when the payload is sent, both clocks, one in payload the other on the tripod on island, were set to 0 and started to tick together. And 31 min of difference was recorded eventually. But the rocket was flying for more than 3 hours (3:16:22). Also if you rememberthe countdown by Regina just after the launch, the rocket was flying around 5 km per 3sec. So it means that the speed of the rocket was 6000km/hour. If it really flew for more than 3 hours than it travelled more than 18000 km! Where does the fuel come from to such a small rocket?
Anyway, with a flight that takes around 3 hours, 30 minutes of time difference occurs, and this would translate into this: for every 5 year in the normal world, 4 year passes on the island.
But time actually does not exist, it is just a scale we use to measure the change.
February 20th, 2008 at 7:18 pm
deno: Thank you for the math and great call on the hour. No one has noted that yet that I’ve seen.
March 2nd, 2008 at 4:15 pm
you have always said there is something about Vincent. Is is a coincedence that Ben is working with dogs??