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I like marinating on the show for a few days and going back and watching the show again, especially after talking things over with other Lost fans. Thanks to everyone out there who also comes on and leaves comments. I love hearing what other people are thinking as well.
1. I have been going back through some of the first four seasons as I was trying to find where Jack’s dad mentioned the grandfather Ray. See my previous post, but the only time he’s mentioned is in the mobisode. Anyway, it has me looking at things and thinking how it all connects. The opening scene this week with Jack back in the bamboo had me look back at right before he ended up on the bamboo the first time. There have been questions since Season One about how Jack was thrown so far off from the wreckage with only minor injuries. While on the plane Jack is drinking heavily. Here’s what Jack first tells Kate about what he remembers of the accident:
JACK [off camera at first]: We must have been at about 40,000 feet when it happened. Hit an air pocket. Dropped, maybe, 200 feet. The turbulence was: I blacked out.
Also, the flight attendant *slips* him two extra bottles of booze. So we could almost assume that someone wanted to make sure that he wasn’t hurt in the crash and perhaps doped him so he’d pass out? I think Jack may have *flashed* to the island the first time much like he did this time. He blacked out just like this time too. Coincidence? The first time he would not have been mentally accepting of the flash whereas this time he’s coming to be the Man of Faith and would be more open to the idea that he got there through some type of time travel versus just being another survivor of the airline crash.
Oh, and we were missing Vincent standing there looking at him.
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2. Here we have a board figuring all the new numbers for us. Will 4, 8, 15, 16, 23 ,42 be obsolete now? If the flight coordinates that Mrs Hawking gives Jack indicate anything, they will be 1, 3, 14, 16, 18, 34.
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3. Almost 50 years ago to the day that The Military took this picture of the island (from the date of the original crash, I mean). Coincidence? As Mr Eko would have said, “Don’t mistake coincidence for fate.”
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4. How could Ben have not known about The Lamp Post? I’m not buying it. Maybe he’s never been in it (judging from the look on Mrs Hawking’s face when she’s opening the door) but I would venture to guess he knew it existed.
5. What if Mrs Hawking is actually working with Widmore? What if she stole all of Daniel’s work in order to find the island? After all, Dan thought she was at Oxford, not in LA. Maybe in some crazy attempt to use his work to get back she and Widmore were really responsible for frying Teresa’s brain and not Daniel? Maybe they want him to think it was his fault to play him into their hands and further Widmore’s attempts to find the island. Maybe they have some way to track the O6 and follow them back to the island. It’s pretty obvious that it’s Dan’s work that is all over the chalkboards and we know he was headed to LA after he left Teresa. Widmore and Hawking would have also known that he was leaving on the expedition to find the island so they can easily go to where Dan’s work was in LA and find the next window to get to the island. They could use the O6 as their own guinea pigs to see if the theory of the Lamp Post station really works or if it fries their minds and they have to find another way back.
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6. Desmond makes a good point. Daniel tells him that his mother can help them, not Jack, Sun or Ben. They are using them but unfortunately I think Desmond’s piece isn’t over yet. Actually, I’m glad because every Desmond-centered episode so far have been my favorites.
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7. They don’t recreate the circumstances of the original flight because Aaron is not there. I don’t think that the six that did go (six because Ben went otherwise there would have been seven) end up in the same time and place because of this. Somehow they are going to have manipulate time on the island to reunite. Mrs Hawking said that the results would be unpredictable if they didn’t all go. I guess we’ll see but I do say that little Aaron is going to end up there on the island at some point.
8. Ah Ben. Always hanging around in the most opportune times. I really doubt he’s praying here as much as he’s planning his next move. Including the lovely story he tells Jack about Thomas.
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9. The bunny at the magic show reminded me of some of the other bunnies we’ve seen so far. Click here to watch the orientation video for The Orchid station. Apparently #15 somehow makes it back but they can’t get them near each other. Assuming this was some type of foreshadowing for if the Losties would come across themselves in another time. And who could forget #8, the bunny that supposedly had the pace maker installed that killed it when it’s heart rate went too high (to scare Sawyer from escaping)?
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10. OK, seriously, it just so *happens* that Ray has packed a pair of Christian’s shoes? The guy only had a couple of shirts and pants and the shoes he picks to take aren’t even his? Either Jack is the most naive person ever, or the writers have taken a serious short cut here. It just so *happens* that Jack needs something of his father’s to put on Locke and it just so *happens* that Jack has a sentimental story about his father’s shoes? This Ray guy better show up later for this scene not to be pure laziness on the writer’s part.
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11. What did Kate do this time? There are multiple things that she could have done with Aaron and Jack really should have found out what happened. Back in Season One he said he didn’t want to know what she did in order to be arrested then later changed his mind. It created a rift between them for awhile. I think the same thing is going to happen as I’m sure that the Losties on the island are going to ask where Aaron is.
The most likely choice is that she left him with Claire’s mum. She could have also left him with whoever Sun has watching Ji Yeon or with Clementine (Sawyer’s baby’s momma). The bigger question is why? Did Sun somehow manipulate her into going back to the island to atone for *killing* Jin? Did her guilt over knowing she promised not to bring him back get the better of her? Or was it something to do with Widmore? I’m sure we’ll eventually find out.
But, I think Aaron is going to show up on the island anyway. They ALL had to go back and Aaron was one of the Six. It can’t be a coincidence that Claire’s mom has the same attorney as Ben and that he conveniently led them to her. So Kate knew where she was and knew that she’d take care of Aaron. But, in the end if Claire’s mom does have him I think she’ll show up on the island with him. No matter how, the kid is coming back. He has to.
12. So Cesear (Saïd Taghmaoui) is also listed in the cast for next week. Assuming this means that he was purposely placed on the plane with the O6. Maybe he’s in charge of tracking them and helping Widmore to find the island – maybe somehow transmit back to land their location?
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13. If Cesear does travel to the island with the O6 then he must be a proxy for someone on the original flight, right? Who would that be? Was there a mole on the original flight?
14. Here’s a thought … if the Losties have been shifting time and we assume that Rose and Bernard have as well, then where ever Claire is (if she’s still alive) then she should be shifting also, right?
15. I understand why Sun left behind her baby and went back to the island. I don’t think that Sun believes that she’s going back forever, like Jack does. I’m sure Sun has worked out something where she thinks that she can get back once she finds Jin. There is no way she’d leave her baby behind.
16.Somebody turned in Sayid to get him on that flight. I’m sure it’s whoever also talked Hurley into going back and I’m sure we’ll find out who that someone was very soon.
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17. Here’s another thought, wouldn’t someone at Ajira Airlines notice that five of the survivors from 815 were boarding the same plane? They are boarding in LA so you’d think that as big as a story as it was someone might find it odd that the survivors of that crash just happened to be getting on a plane together. I know if I saw them I’d be asking to get on a different flight. And Kate must be using a fake name because she agreed not to leave the area as part of her plea bargain.
18. It’s sweet that Hurley bought all the extra seats that he could in order to keep people from getting on the plane knowing it’s fate. 78 tickets, wow!
19. If all the passengers end up on the island, then we know it’s more than just those in first class. You can see a lot of people back in coach. Maybe it’s just those in first class. See, you shouldn’t fly first class. 
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20.Whatever Ben had in the mystery box (remember, he had it hidden in the vent?) he must have in his carry on bag here. Will be interested to see what it is.
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21.Yeah Frank! I can’t wait to see him interacting with Sawyer. The guy had to fly this plane considering he was supposed to be the original pilot. I hope the smoke monster doesn’t get him like the first pilot.
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22. By the way, Ben’s mother could not have taught him to read because she died in childbirth. Remember, Ben’s dad says he can’t celebrate his birthday because he can’t celebrate the day he killed his mother. Not important to the story, just thought I’d point it out.
23. Ben says that he didn’t know Locke killed himself… probably because Locke didn’t kill himself. We see in next week’s preview that Ben is there when Locke is about to hang himself. I’m guessing that Locke finds something out right before he goes through with it and changes his mind only for Ben to give him a little *help* hanging himself. Ben talks in technicalities so really, he’s not lying to Jack. And, it really wasn’t Jack’s fault because it was Ben’s fault!
24. Is it a coincidence that right as Jack reads the letter they flash to the island?
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25. Jin in a Dharma van. In reading the descriptions of the next couple of weeks and seeing the promo pictures (don’t read on if you don’t want to know…)…
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… it appears that when Locke turned the wheel he froze them in that time, which happened to be back when DI was still in full force. The Losties on the island have somehow assimilated themselves with the DI. Somehow Jack, Kate, and Hurley have landed in this time with them.
26. As far as where Sayid, Sun and Ben are that is still up in the air. They may be in the current time or they may just be somewhere else on the island. If they are with Ben my guess is they can go whenever and where ever they want since Ben seems to be able to manipulate his way around pretty well here.
27. The Losties being back in time opens a whole realm of possibilities regarding course correction. Also, we might be closing in on who is Adam and Eve back in the cave. Right now, my money is on Rose and Bernard.
28. And is Kate preggers – the proxy for Claire? Does she find out while on the island and panics knowing she has to get the hell off the island or she’ll die?
February 21st, 2009 at 10:27 am
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February 21st, 2009 at 4:39 pm
“It’s pretty obvious that it’s Dan’s work that is all over the chalkboards and we know he was headed to LA after he left Teresa.”
Please explain how its pretty obvious, you have no evidence besides the fact that Dan has written equations and there are equations here.
February 21st, 2009 at 9:23 pm
“My money is on Rose and Bernard.”
Aww, that would be terrible.
February 21st, 2009 at 10:45 pm
CT: I am an expert physicist and the equations are identical. I’m also a professional handwriting analyst and the handwriting is identical. So I guess to an expert like me… it’s pretty obvious.
February 22nd, 2009 at 11:29 am
Kate can have the baby on the island since it was conceived off island – like Claire. Whoever told her to get preggers also told her she is safe if she conceives off island. Now she can live happily with Sawyer and play house with “their” kid. Jack and Kate may be on the same plane, but “they are not together”.
February 22nd, 2009 at 12:26 pm
yeh ct, you’ve been told!!! never question the girl, she knows the score! quality statement about locke freekin the island in time aswell, top notch! dont know whered i be without this site
February 22nd, 2009 at 2:44 pm
Don’t mess with the Gitster mister. It’s her party be happy you’re invited! Good pics GG. I like the little things on this show, like this time around at the airport Jack refers to Locke as “a friend”. Back at Hoffs Drawlor previouly he answered “neither” to the question of Locke as friend or family. Way to come around Jack! Also enjoyed that the opening pilot scene was revisited, but admittedly not the way I had envisioned. Ben’s baton was no where in site, in fact I haven’t seen him use it in a while. I love this show, I don’t think I’ll ever enjoy one quite like it again. Already mourning it’s end. I know some will disagree, but I hope they find a way to wrap it all up the right way… and still leave room for a future movie – a new ‘Lost’ story, not so much a continuation of the original story.
February 23rd, 2009 at 6:38 pm
regarding the shoes and the potential “laziness” of the writers, i think you are missing the fate aspect of it .. i think the major theme of time travel has a very closely related theme (or sub-theme) of fate (aka course correction etc etc) .. i chalk the shoes up to fate rather than writer’s laziness …
also – i wouldnt be surprised if some old friends helped hurley and kate make their decisions to come back to the island .. maybe “charlie” pays a visit to hurley ?? hes done that before .. and maybe “claire” visits kate ??? then again, i wouldnt be surprised if ben did it all himslef .. did he have time to kill penny (maybe?), turn in sayid, visit hurley and then visit kate ?? he is late for the plane …. who knows ??
GREAT POINT about kate being pregnant .. that explains why she ran to jack’s apartment, gave him the ole “katie special” before leaving for the island ..
February 25th, 2009 at 4:33 am
“CT: I am an expert physicist and the equations are identical. I’m also a professional handwriting analyst and the handwriting is identical. So I guess to an expert like me… it’s pretty obvious. ”
hey, i’m just saying that when you say something is obvious, it should at least be a LITTLE obvious, instead of just completely assumed. asian mccandlewax is a physicist too, he can write equations.
February 25th, 2009 at 11:21 am
I can’t tell you how many times I have looked at the first scene with Jack lying on his back in the jungle, but I can’t figure it out. I think you are right, he was time skipping. I think Grandpa Ray was part of the Dharma group and we will see him when Jack starts searching the island.
I think Sun, Ben & Sayid are somewhere else – one of them will still be on the plane, my guess is Ben. Then they are going to have to figure out how to get back together.
I hope Kate isn’t pregnant, we’ve had enough pregnancies on the island.
February 25th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
Well, my computer power supply died and I just got it back after it was fixed. I enjoyed this show. I like the thought of there being new numbers. Here’s a thought from Flight 815. The numbers were pretty prevalent there. It left from Gate 23, Jack and Rose were both sitting in seat row 23, Anna Lucia was in seat row 42 and other such things. I can’t copy the show, so I was wondering if anyone could go back and see if any of the numbers match the new ones for certain things.
I think Kate left the baby with Claire’s mother. It was fate, and fate plays a big part in this show, that she was there in LA, not to mention having the same lawyer that Ben had. I’m wondering if Claire’s mother is actually on the flight with Aaron in the back seats behind the curtains. I’m sure some of the people on that plane besides the O6 make it to the island. Like Flight 815, the tail section ended up somewhere else on the island. Also, remember when the Losties left on the island find those boats at their camp? There was a water bottle with the symbol for that airline on it.
I’m pretty sure that guy Jack talks to at the airline counter is going to be a new character. That’s just the type of random way they’ve always introduced new people to the show. Also, I think the guy escorting Sayid will be on the island – maybe he’s taking the place of the marshal who was bringing Kate back to LA. Speaking of Kate, I wonder why there were no red flags raised with her getting on the plane since under the conditions of her probition she’s not even supposed to leave the state.
I do think the left behind Losties have somehow snuck into the DI or have joined it seeing Jin with that van and wering that jumpsuit. It’s also how Dan was down in the Orcid station and later is able to warn Charlotte about returning to the island – Dan, that crazy guy…lol.
Many of the DHARMA symbols seem to reflect things from books, especially if they have to do with time travel or other books where people enter alternate realities – such as the rabbit and the name Looking Glass. I’m wondering the the Lampost has anything to do with Narnia, since it’s a lampost that points the way back to the wardrobe and the way back to the real world. Well, just a thought.
February 25th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
On a side note… I just recently finished watching all 9 seasons of The X-Files and I noticed some things, besides the fact that Locke, Ben, Mr. Widmore, Bernard, Tom (Mr. Friendly) were all guests on The X-Files, not to mention the guy who got Sawyer to go to Australia (Robert Patrick) was on it too (and I’m probably missing a few who were on it as well) – but if you can, watch the finale show of the X-Files. In it, Mulder gets assistance from people who died throughout the entire show. Also, if you think about it, Mulder ended up in a casket buried in the ground for 3 months, was dug up and came back to life. Seems kind of familiar. I don’t think that they plan to tie Lost in with the X-Files since they said that it doesn’t involve aliens, but there seems to be some similar themes, like groups of people conducting secret experiments, people coming back from the dead and such. Anyhow, just something to think about.
February 25th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
By the way, that new movie that came out for the X-Files was kind of a let down. But I think they put it out to prep us for something big. According to the last show of the TV series, the aliens are supposed to invade on December 22, 2012, so I think they have something planned for that – the final fight of the human race for control of the Earth.
April 20th, 2009 at 4:57 am
#10 – hate to believe it but i think the whole “shoe” thing was a pretty big writer’s shortcut.
either that or they’re a family heirloom. ruby slippers in disguise. click three times together and transport to/from the island.