5 X 16 & 5 x 17: Initial Thoughts
Wow. Now *THAT* is how you do a season finale.
So bittersweet. Two hours of amazing tv but now the season is over for another 9 months.
1. Why the big fancy metal box to carry around Locke’s dead body? Whatever / Whoever has taken over Locke apparently doesn’t need the corpse to take his form. Unless there is a twin out there of Locke. I hate that it’s not Locke though. I thought this guy had finally found his mojo but turns out he’s the man in black.
2. I can’t help to think again to Stephen King and the bad guy he has running around (Randal Flagg, Walter, whatever you want to call him). I’m thinking it’s the same “bad guy” concept that has a hold of Locke’s body and I also think it’s the same guy from the opening scene that wants to kill Jacob.
3. We are back to our black and white theme. Very first scene, Jacob has on white, the other guy has on black.
4. I really want to stew on my thoughts of that opening scene. If you’ve seen the 80’s movie “Clash of the Titans” then you’ll remember the scenes where the “gods” were moving the people around. It almost reminds me of the opening scene. It’s like Jacob brings people to the island out of some “power” he has. I think maybe he is hoping that on one of the boats / planes that crashes someone will kill him and end the seemingly endless loop of events. According to the man in black, they come, they fight but it always ends the same.
5. Jacob seems like such a kind man. He goes to each one of our Losties at an important moment of their life and is so gentle. Except with Locke he actually brings him back to life after he falls out of the tree. But, Jacob goes to each of the survivors which surely means there is a larger purpose for them. And when they crash on the island Jacob makes the list of who he wants from the survivors.
6. Jacob must want Sawyer to finish the letter. He gives him a pen.
7. Should Jack really be carrying the inner part of the bomb around on his back?
8. I think that Richard is suspicious of the *new* Locke. He keeps staring at him (or so Locke keeps pointing out) and even says he’s different. But Jack tells Richard that he shouldn’t give up on Locke so I think that Richard might be second guessing his suspicions.
9. So Eloise is their leader. Richard says so when he makes Jack and Sayid go ahead of him through the Dharma houses.
10. I’m not clear on what Frank might be a “candidate” for according to Ilana. Guess we’ll have to wait until next year to see. Maybe a new *body* for Jacob to inhabit?
11. Hurley is a rock star in that van. How many times can he be a hero driving that thing into dangerous situations.
12. I love Rose and Bernard. I truly hope that they leave those two exactly where they are. Give someone some happiness people!!!
13. “It’s always something with you people.” I agree with Rose. They can’t just sit still and live a calm life, they are always shooting at someone. But I guess it would make for one boring show if they didn’t.
14. Ilana has her face wrapped and all we see is her eye. We haven’t had an eye opening for awhile. When Jacob comes to her in the hospital she obviously knows him. What must he ask for her help with? I’m thinking it’s to stop the man in black from whatever evil he’s spreading. Maybe she is one of the good guys.
15. AND, if Jacob wasn’t the one in the cabin then there are some people on the island who have been talking to the evil / black spirit on the island. And, Claire was in the cabin so she is somehow involved with him.
16. Book that Jacob is reading, Flannery O’Conner “Everything That Rises Must Converge.”
17. The first time that Ben took Locke to the cabin the man in the black shirt is the one who asked Locke to help him. I don’t think that Jacob was there at all. And I think Richard knew that.
18. I was sad when Sun found Charlie’s ring in the baby cradle. Made me miss Charlie for one and for another I missed the old, more simple days of the show. Charlie gave his life so that Claire and Aaron can leave the island and I still think that we will see that happen.
19. Maybe Jacob going to all the important events was like Dan going to Charlotte as a little girl. He’s trying to subtly influence their behavior and thus change the course of events and therefore breaking the loop.
20. I think it’s cute that Jacob is the little old lady who lived in a shoe.
21. I thought that it was going to be Jacob that actually put the woman back together during Jack’s surgery. Such a poignant moment in his life that I’m glad Jacob didn’t heal her. But, we can see that both Jack and Jacob like Apollo bars. I’m not clear yet on what his role was in that scene.
22. Sawyer is 100% right, a man does what he does because he wants something. But, I don’t think that Jack is trying to change the future because of Kate alone. I think it’s all of his regrets collectively that he wants to change.
23. The Jack and Sawyer fist fight was five seasons coming. I think they needed to have it out once and for all.
24. Juliette learned early about being in love but not being with that person that you love. The scene with her as a little girl was a wee bit cheesy though.
25. Jacob wanted Hurley to have Charlie’s guitar. But I love that out of everyone, he only straight talks Hurley. And he also reassures Hurley that he’s not crazy but rather that he’s blessed because he has the ability to talk to his dead friends.
26. Sayid will live. Killing of Juliet (as I thought she would be) was the sacrifice for the season. They can’t also take him away from us. They just can’t!
27. I don’t think that the man in Locke has the capability of killing Jacob. Having Ben do it is the loop hole he had been looking for. But I’m also not convinced that Jacob didn’t want to die. He doesn’t do anything to make Ben feel better about not seeing him all those years.
28. Notice the black and white shadows on Locke and Jacob’s faces in Jacob’s foot/house? Ben doesn’t have the shadows but the two of them do. Will have to screen cap.
29. Yeah Miles! Finally pointing out what we’ve been thinking. That the Losties are actually causing the event that they think they are preventing.
30. So the scene at the Swan construction site was crazy intense, once the bomb actually went off that is. Like when Locke first let the numbers run out and all the metal started coming. Miles saving his dad. And of course the Juliet in the tunnel scene. OMG, heart wrenching! I was very teary eyed in that scene. You can also believe that Locke is not going to take losing her well. If he was bad before then he’s going to be totally off the charts now. I can see him blaming Kate and Jack for her death since he seems to think that they had a very happy life until they came back.
31. Yes, Juliet waking up at the bottom of the tunnel was unrealistic but if the island wasn’t done with her then it makes sense that she lived in order to set the bomb off.
32. Anyone able to translate what Richard says lies in the shadow of the statue?
34. I really hate that it’s not *our* Locke running around the island.
35. Jacob says “They’re Coming.” I think that he means the O6. They *were* meant to come back and I think it’s to stop the dark man that has taken over Locke. That is their purpose.
36. Elizabeth Mitchell has to be beyond pleased with the way they wrote her character off of the show. Sure, it sucks that she’s gone but if you are going to go, THAT is the way to do it!
37. I also was moved with the flash that Lost’s final season is next year. What! Can it be true? I knew that was coming as well but it’s going to be such a bittersweet season.
May 14th, 2009 at 1:16 am
“Ille qui nos omnes servabit”
He whom we will serve or
He whome will save us
May 14th, 2009 at 1:27 am
Here’s my thought on the initial scene and what follows. The man in black is Smokey. Smokey is a spirit and is enslaved by Jacob. I’m not sure if Jacob is Anubis or what, but remember that scene on the wall in the tunnel where Ben sees Smokey of Anubis and Smokey facing each other? Anyhow, what they’re talking about is Smokey’s struggle (fight) to get free by killing Jacob. He’s looking for a loop hole in the agreement that made him a slave. Locke and Ben are that loop hole. I think everytime some new group shows up to the island, they have this same fight over and over again and I take it that each time in the past, Jacob has always won the battle. If you noticed at the end, Jacob is talking to Locke as if they’re old friends. Locke is Smokey (the man in black from the first scene). If you remember way back when Yemi wanted Ecko to make his confession, he got mad at him and Smokey shows up and kills him. I bet he wanted to try and get Ecko to kill Jacob, but Ecko had become a changed man and was no longer a killer, but a man of God. I don’t think Jacob is permitted to protect himself. Remember the rules Ben talks about when Alex is killed. Jacob mentions free will to Ben as well and I think after that, Jacob is stuck trusting that Ben will remember the rules.
Now we have to wonder about Christain… and Claire – who’s side are they on. Are they only pawns of the man in black? Smokey? Was that the real Claire who visited Kate back in the real world and told her not to bring Aaron back to the island? Is Claire dead or just a prisoner of the man in black or is Christian still a good guy. Same with the Christain who visited Jack at the hospital.
The show ends with that eye. I bet that’s Jack’s eye. It makes me wonder if Jack is going to be waking up on 815 or if he’s going to be waking up in the jungle on Day 1 of the crash. Or maybe he’s going to be waking up in the real world some time in the future and remember everything that happened that was changed. I mean, obviously Walt is way too old no to look 10 if they bring him back.
It was funny, when they opened up that big metal box for Frank to look inside, I had this flashback to how Jack and Ben opened up the casket and they didn’t let us see who was inside it and I thought, wow, what if it’s Locke’s body! Then I told myself, that’s stupid, I bet it’s another nuke or something…lol.
If they changed things, that means no daughter for Jin and Sun and no son for Penny and Desmond. That would be sad. But also think of this, if they did change things, that means that Ben doesn’t kill Jacob. I think the Losties lost in the 1970’s was part of Jacob’s plan to foil the man in black’s plans. His plan B in case he couldn’t talk Ben out of killing him.
I thought it was cool that Jacob went around and met with all of them at some point in their lives. It means that they were hand selected by him for some purpose.
By the way, did you catch Jacob’s comment to Jack at the candy machine that it just needed a push. He was actually talking about Jack and the surgery when Christian told him to take a break and count to 5 to get Jack over his fear. I think it really was Jack who pushed his father to drink.
I think the things Jacob says to Hurley are important. The dead that Hurley talks with aren’t the same like Yemi and the others. I think he implies that Hurley is truly talking with his dead friends and not something controlled by the man in black. I think that guitar is what got Hurley to go back to the island…bringing it back for Charlie. What if they all do start off again on Day 1 of the crash but they remember everything that’s happened to them and everyone who died is alive again, including the real Locke. Um, Ethan, I think you’re in for a big surprise if that happens.
Rose and Bernard living alone in a shack with Vincent was great. I hope if everyone else shifts back to the future, they leave them alone to be happy together. Maybe they do end up as Adam and Eve at the caves. Jacob may be the one who placed their bodies there, because they sure couldn’t do it on their own. Someone would have had to place them their after they died.
Lol – Yep, Miles, I was thinking the same thing, that the bomb caused the incident and all that radiation is why all the cement, not the electromagnatism.
Well, my brain is like jelly right now and i’ll have to let it settle down some. There’s just so much to think about.
If Lost get’s no awards this season….Errrrrrrr! You awards guys must be Bozos!!!
May 14th, 2009 at 2:33 am
Gits,
I know you wanted to pump this out quick but just a small correct so no one’s gets more confused but Locke does not fall out of a tree, that’s when he got pushed out the window by dear ol’ dad & didn’t you mean that Sawyer is not going to take losing Juliette well not Locke.
Anyhow-Great recap as always.
Thanks.
May 14th, 2009 at 2:46 am
One more thought before bed. Now that I think of it, it makes sense that Smokey first picked Ecko and then Locke as choices as it’s pigeon boys. Think about it. Both of them encountered Smokey and faced him without fear standing before it as it examined them. Everyone else that met Smokey ran away except for them. But, like I said, Ecko didn’t give himself to Smokey at the end, so he was killed. But Smokey played with and tricked Locke. I wonder if Smokey had been toying with Ben all those years as well preparing him for this ending.
I take it that Ilana and team were specially tasked by Jacob to find out the truth and bring the matter to Richard’s attention, but they arrived too late.
It also makes you wonder what role Widmore and Hawkin played and who’s side they were on. But I have a feeling they weren’t on Smokey’s side, at lease in the case of Widmore because of a comment Abbadon made to Locke. Locke told him that he had to die and Abbadon said something like let’s hope that doesn’t happen. But Hawkin was the one who sent Locke’s body back to the island, so I’m not sure about her. Maybe she was tricked too and was under the impression that would help bring Dan back.
Could Smokey have been involved with making Keamy break the rules and kill Alex? We saw from Danielle’s crew that Smokey had changed them. Maybe there’s a difference when Richard brings someone down under the temple and having someone go down there alone without his protection. Smokey controlled maybe one matter and Smokey on his own bringing about totally different results.
May 14th, 2009 at 8:30 am
Esmit, thanks for the translation. Awesome!
Massimo: Yes, I was typing with super sleepy zombie brain so thank you for the correction. Sorry for the confusion.
May 14th, 2009 at 9:53 am
gg – great re-cap. i look forward to your full re-cap.
gary – your 1st paragraph is exactly what i was thinking. i was struggling with whether the black shirt (smokey) was some sort of spirit ..
i also agree that “black shirt” can not kill jacob himself because why not just kill him when hes eating his fish in the opening scene ??
it almost seems like a big game .. there were crazy theories about LOST being a video game that 2 (or more) people were actually playing with characters/teams .. it felt that way last night .. i dont subscribe to the video game theory though ..
also, everything felt so biblical last night .. following a person that you never met (constant references to that), the groups of people traveling across the island, some people for this person that they have never met and some people against him, etc etc etc .. i wish i knew more about the bible to further my point but at times it felt like we were watching a “modernized” version of biblical stories ..
May 14th, 2009 at 10:23 am
I think that by blowing the bomb up, like Miles says, caused the ‘incident’ and that it is going to be up to Sun, Ilana, Richard, etc… to “fix” the past so Jacob remains in power on the island.
Richard told Sun that he watched all of her friends die, so will they die in the bomb blast or later? Somehow, what’s his name, the guy in the hatch that Desmond was in, he dosen’t die in the explosion cause he has to be the one that creates the hatch and pushes the button.
Loved, loved, loved seeing Rose and Bernard and Vincent!
So I think that it is a God vs. God thing. Jacob and the other guy in the beginning. I think that other guy is the smoke monster and he can take other forms in order to speak to people, kinda like Mystique from X-Men. Or like Satan sending Demons to inhabit peoples bodies and control their actions.
God vs. Satan, God creates the world and puts Adam and Eve here to live a perfect life in Eden, but they sin and wars begin, Cain kills Abel, etc. Jacob vs. the Smoke monster, Jacob (God) wants people to live on the island in this wonderful environment with special powers but all the people can do is fight. The smoke monster(Satan) is tired of watching humans do the same thing over and over with the same results and he finds a loop hole to win by swaying a believer in God (Jacob) to deny Jacob and switch sides.
Alana would be a ‘angel’ of God’s(Jacobs) and Christian, Claire, and Ekco’s brother all are possessed by ‘demons’ of the smoke monster.
Watching Juliet die was like watching Locke be killed by Ben. I was covering my face with my hands but peeking through my fingers! Even though I was pretty sure she was gonna die, it was horrible watching her slip out of Sawyer’s fingers
I loved this show!
It does make me wonder why Hawkin sends them all back, if she wanted to change things, just don’t send them.
Thanks Gitsie for another great blog!
May 14th, 2009 at 10:47 am
point 30 you mean Sawyer, not Locke, right?
Did anyone else see the rainbow behind sawyer/kate/Juliet??? it was on there for 1 scence, just before Vincent comes out of the woods. one of the benefits of shooting in Hawaii!
i figured Sawyer wou,d take Jack in the woods and say “Jack, you gotta take one of these girls off my hands, the sexual tension is unbearable”.
great blog, i’ll check ya out over the summer.
May 14th, 2009 at 10:48 am
Okay with all this talk about the other guy on the beach with Jacob at the beginning and “Locke” being him. Out of curiosity i went onto lostpedia and looked to see if maybe they something about him on the page for the finale and they just called him a man but it’s linked to another page. When you go to the other page it talks about “the man” in the 1800’s and then about him in 2007 and THAT HE’S ”LOCKE”!! I guess what what everyone was thinking is true. That is the guyh from the beginning and taking over Locke was his loophole. Now what i am wondering is if he took over Christian too and was going to try and get jack to do what “Locke” got Ben to do. I can’t wait till 2010!!!
Here’s the link to lostpedia:
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Jacob%27s_enemy
This also makes me think that “the man” could be Smokey. I mean since they came back to the island we’ve seen smokey once and during that scene locke was no where to be seen except right when Ben was done with his encounter.
I’m sorry if i’m bursting anyones bubble by putting this but i feel so satisfied knowing that it is that guy and not the real Locke. I was starting not to like him. But i’m glad that i can still like like Locke. The real one.
May 14th, 2009 at 10:58 am
one more thing, like hugo hurley said, it was kinda biblical, especially the way they were carrying Lockes body around all “raiders of the Lost Ark” style….
May 14th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
Wow! Gitsy Girl! I was right with you with every one of those numbers! You all have some great theories….
I think it is all about Black and white and good and evil…was wondering if maybe the smokey guy and Jacob can jump into “any dead body” like Claire or Christian or whoever and influence the “Losties”
I kind of felt like that scene with Jacob saying Hurley was special for being able to talk to his dead friends was almost like how “God” would talk to his people… and also like he said to Ben and Hurley “its your choice to go or not to go”…. he pushes for the free will, where the smokey guy (I love that name
doesnt believe in free will.
i still dont understand why the smoke didnt get Ben for killing John, but was angry with him for letting someone else kill Danielle.
Ive never seen clash of the titans but now i want to…The titles of that book Flannery O’Conner “Everything That Rises Must Converge.” are very similar to themes in the series as well.
May 14th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
oh, another thing about Jacob, it did kinda make me mad when he went to see Sayid and he called to Sayid and Nadia was killed by the car. It did answer the question about who was responsible for her death but ohhhh I didn’t like it.
Another thing was that he saw some of the plane crash survivors before the crash and he saw sayid and hurley after they got back from the island, very interesting…not sure if it means anything
May 14th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
my brain has become jelly. great season finale. loved that the EP was Jacob-centric, it really put a different spin on the march to the shadow of the statue since we know that Jacob is good. what a reveal that Ilana was on Jacob’s team. poor Juliet. but if you’re gonna go, that’s how its done. love the opening scene where we see a ship (the Black Rock?) arriving. also loved Jacob’s sutblety. We now know he guided everyone to the island, but why?
May 14th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
There was just so much in this show. We finally did get an explaination for why Richard has been around for so long. It’s been Jacob keeping him alive and young.
I’m wondering, why Anubis? And why are all the depictions of the Ankh shown upside down on the island? We get a good look at the statue finally and you can see Anubis holding the Ankh upside down. The Ankh being the symbol of life.
Is Jacob Anubis or is Smokey Anubis? Maybe Jacob is Osiris, who is Anubis’ father who was the god of regeneration and re-birth. Jacob does seem to have those powers where Anubis is the god of the underworld.
May 14th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
By the way, from what I just wrote, the son killing the father has been a reoccuring theme in this show so Anubis setting out to kill his father Osiris may make some sense.
May 14th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
Food for thought… What if the black shirted man from the beginning is more like Richard? Perhaps he’s not too happy being the hand servant eternal to Jacob.
Lot’s of loose ends to that idea… but is interesting to mull over I thought.
May 14th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
GG: Hey, when you do your final thoughts, try to get a good picture of what Jacob is weaving. From what I remember, it’s a picture of a sun with wings.
May 14th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
On the Biblical feeling to this show, it really does have that. If you think about Jesus and the last super, Jesus tells them all that one of them is going to betray him and that others will deny him. With such foreknowledge, most people would want to avoid the situation that was about to come. But instead, Jesus just follows through with events because that’s the way things had to be. You get that feeling when Jacob talks with Ben, it’s like he knows already that he won’t be able to talk Ben out of his actions and he makes no attempts to avoid them.
May 14th, 2009 at 4:55 pm
Great blog as always. thank you. Just wanted to say you were so right on with the “juliet in the red shirt”. I totally did not see that coming.
May 14th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
Lol. That’s right, I forgot about that red shirt. It must be a tribute to Star Trek. I wonder if they were planning to do that Star Trek movie way back when we hear Boone talking about the red shirts way back in Season 1 of the show.
Here’s an idea. There’s two known power sources on the island, one under the Swan station and the other under the Orchid. What if those power sources are actually Jacob and the man in black, their souls, I guess you’d say. It’s funny that a well originally led down the the donkey wheel (The Well of Souls?). But think about it if the power source under the Swan is the man in black and he’s imprisoned there and has been trying for centuries to free himself. He sets things up for the DHARMA guys who were afraid that the Hostiles would find out where they were drilling the Swan station to free him. But the DHARMA station finally does set up the Swan station with the button that continues to keep him trapped. Then old Locke comes to the island and he continues to push the button after Desmond leaves (saving the world). Then you throw Ecko and Yemi into the mix and Yemi leads them to the one place that makes Locke doubt himself so he stops pressing the button, the Swan station implodes and the man in black is finally completely or at lease somewhat freed. His ultimate freedom however rests in killing Jacob. Does that make any kind of sense?
May 14th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
gitsie-
do you think it’s possible that we actually do not lose juliet? we know juliet is susceptible to time travel as we have seen her survive the flashes before. . maybe the flash is triggered just before the bomb detonates? although i suppose she would be so far underground in whatever time they traveled to that she couldn’t survive.
agreed- the scene between juliet and sawyer and also the last scene where she wakes up in the tunnel melted the very core of my heart.
amazing comments as always! you always seem to notice things that neither me nor my friends would ever realize!
May 14th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
This episode gave us no reason to dislike or distrust Jacob, and pretty much assured us that he’s the good guy, as far as I can tell. Also, that would more than likely put Ilana’s team on the good side as well.
Black-shirted man has totally taken the form of Locke’s body. That HAS to be the case here. Although it makes me wonder how long it’s been that way. Last week, when [Locke] led Richard and Ben into the jungle to the yellow plane where the real Locke walks out with a bullet in his leg, was that actually Locke, or was it the dude with the black shirt? Pretty confusing…
Little Kate was stealing a New Kids on the Block lunchbox. I got a kick out of that.
Episode 6×01 is going to be insane. It’s going to be the best opening for any episode since day 1. I’m expecting TONS of answers in that episode, and I can’t wait.
May 14th, 2009 at 6:01 pm
Do you think the smoke monster taking the shape of bodies is why it is so important that they burry the dead on the island?
May 14th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
Hey Foffman: I don’t know if you remember, but that lunch box Kate tries to steal is the same one her and her boyfriend dig up (their time capsule) that had the plane in it – and of course the kid with her at that store is holding that plane.
I agree, I can’t wait for next season. Can I borrow the donkey wheel to get there faster? LOL!!!
May 14th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
You know what’s so cool and exciting? They left us this season with absolutely no clue as to what will happen or where they’ll be next season. The only thing we were left with was that eye opening… and I’m pretty sure the first show of next season will be an eye opener for us.
It was great to finally meet Jacob and to see that he was involved in some part with their lives before and after they all came to the island. The one thing I know everyone questions is probably the thing that happened with Sayid and Nadia, how Jacob called Sayid back and Nadia got hit by the car. But I’m pretty sure that Jacob is confined by some rules and maybe Nadia was out of his control, not his to influence or help and it was unpreventable, like the guy with red shoes that Hawkin points out to Desmond in his first time travel incident.
May 15th, 2009 at 12:43 am
Does anyone have a link or screencap of the eyes that everyone claims to have seen at the very end of the episode? I never get to watch the show on Wednesday nights and I only get to watch it online on Thursday mornings. So I wonder if it just didn’t have that part online or if I simply missed it. Can someone explain that a little bit more for me?
May 15th, 2009 at 1:10 am
RachelM touches on a great point. It’s easy to think that Juliet detonates the bomb and that is why we see the white flash. But, we know that the sky turns white with every time shift, so perhaps time shifting is what actually happens at that precise moment. If so, maybe *all* of the islanders will finally be in sync at the same point in time.
While you’re waiting for Lost to return next year, and if you like cheesy horror films, try to rent “I Married A Monster From Outer Space” from 1958. I was watching it one night and was amazed to see an almost identical “smoke monster” as the one that is in Lost. I found a clip of the smoke monster on the Turner Classic Movie Web site. Use the scroll bar to fast forward to almost the end of the video and you’ll see Smokey!!! Here’s the URL: http://www.tcm.com/video/videoPlayer/?cid=236686&titleId=78839
May 15th, 2009 at 7:58 am
huh….Smokey making cameo’s?
May 15th, 2009 at 10:59 am
Hey Foffman: The eye was at the very end right after Juliet smacks the nuke and every thing goes white. Then you suddenly see a close-up of an eye opening, just like the first show of Season 1 begins with the close-up of Jack’s eye opening. Then it ends and you see no more.
May 15th, 2009 at 11:02 am
Come to think of it, they also did the eye thing earlier this season when Jack and them come in on the plane but end up in 1977 with Jack’s eye opening and then him laying in the jungle just like the first show of Season 1.
May 15th, 2009 at 11:59 am
I loved it. There were some silly moment – why Jack wanted to blow up the swan station and why Juliet agreed with him. Jacob is interesting – he seems so good, but I wonder if he is just playing a game with the MIB.
I’m glad Rose & Bernard are retired with the dog.
The eye opening for next season appears to be Jack on the island. Curious. Could Jack be like Roland from the Dark Tower series? If the others return, will they have some memory?
I will miss your recaps and Lost…..
May 15th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
Foffman: I wouldn’t worry about not seeing the eye…it was after the “LOST” titlecard, as part of a “preview” of next season, which was basically just a few slides telling us that the final season is coming in 2010. The eye ended that little preview. So it’s not actually something in the show.
Moving on…that was one hell of an episode!
I’m still putting all my thoughts together, but in the meantime, does anyone else call BS on the Juliet flashback? Were they going for a 70’s/80’s look here, because the entire scene looked like it was filmed in 2009. Somewhat modern clothing, hairstyles, decor, everything…nothing felt remotely period. Almost deliberately. Also…is it telling that she’s the only person whose flashback didn’t include Jacob? He wasn’t there…he didn’t touch her…she died. Interesting.
May 15th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
Alex G: I did kind of notice that in Juliet’s flashback. It’s like the modern day washer and dryer down in the hatch with all the 1970’s period stuff, like you said, out of place. All the time travel stuff in the show makes things confusing but could Juliet have been born in the future and somehow gone back in time with her sister? That sounds a bit too crazy even for me.
What I still don’t get is why Latin? Why do the Others speak Latin when everything on the island appears so Egyptian? Why don’t they speak Egyptian? But there were periods in time when Rome had concured Eygypt. Like right after the Julius Ceasar/Cleopatra/Mark Antony thing. Hmmm, Jack/Kate/Sawyer? Naw…lol.
But anyhow, why Latin? Could old Smokey be Anubis or another Egyptian god and Jacob be some newer god or Roman god who has emprisoned or enslaved him? The Others being decendents or some Roman Legion? Who knows. I guess we’ll have to wait 9 months to find out.
May 15th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
Quick question — and sorry if someone already asked this (I didn’t read all of the responses). Why was there a picture of what looked like Vincent in Jacob’s cabin before they burned it?
May 15th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
I just read something on abc.com, in the recap, it says:
“And as the camera pulls back, we see what we’ve been waiting to see since we first glimpsed that four-toed foot over three years ago… the towering, majestic statue of the Egyptian goddess Taweret. And we clearly know we’re a long time ago, so let’s get the finale of season five started”
Check it out at:
http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index?pn=recap#t=162212&d=201648
I haven’t had a change to google that goddess yet, thought it was interesting though…
May 15th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
Jen: I always thought that dog picture looked more like a spaniel or something and not a lab. But something else on Jacob’s cabin. First, was it really Jacob’s cabin? We find out that Ben didn’t know where Jacob lived and he never spoke to or has seen Jacob until he went into the foot with imposter Locke. So the obvious answer is, that was never Jacob’s cabin. The man in black’s cabin? Did you notice the circle in ash around the cabin? Circles like that are used in magic and witchcraft for 2 reasons. A smaller circle the spell caster stands in to protect himself from evil spirits/demons or a larger one, like the one around the cabin to imprison/trap an evil spirit/demon. If the circle is broken, the evil spirit/demon is able to get out of it. Remember how the circle of ash looked like someone had dragged their foot across it breaking the loop… Ha ha…loop-hole. So, the next question is, who broke the circle, if you remember, that ash was there the first time Ben took Locke there because Locke noticed it and picked up a pinch of it to check it out. Only they didn’t show us then how it completely surrounded the cabin. It fits in that the man in black was some sort of trapped spirit.
May 15th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
mm: Here’s a link for Taweret:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taweret
Check out the top picture of her with the snake, it says it’s the figure of Wadjet. I guess we were all wrong thinking that statue was of Anubis. Remember the picture in the tunnel with um, Taweret…lol. Before her in that picture is also a snake. Don’t know how she fit’s in, but here’s a link for her too:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wadjet
Both goddesses. So I wonder how Jacob and the man in black fit in?
May 15th, 2009 at 11:29 pm
So Taweret is the goddess of fertility and then becomes a goddess of the underworld. And abc.com says that is who the statue is. Very interesting considering that pregnant women cannot concieve on the island.
Also, the ash circle around Jacobs house is broken when Ilana and her crew go there. Was the ash circle there to keep Jacob in or keep another spirit or god out?
Would love to hear if anyone has thoughts about these things
May 16th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
Not sure if it was said(lots of stuff to read) but something I think I noticed about all the flashbacks is that Jacob only visited the ones who were going to survive everything. I do not remember seeing Jacob in the Juliette flashback scene. Which, although it fit in with her and Sawyer, was a foreshadow of her death.
May 16th, 2009 at 8:59 pm
Andy: Hey, I read the ABC recap about Jacob and the flashbacks he was in. You’re right, Jacob wasn’t in Juliet’s flashback. In the others though, he touched Kate on the nose, he touches Jack’s fingers as he gives him the candy bar, he touches Locke on the chest after his fall and he touches Hurley on the knee in the cab. But with Sayid, he gets ready to touch him on the shoulder, then doesn’t. I don’t know if there’s any meaning to that or not.
May 18th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
WOW! Great, great episodes. heres what i think. when lost ended with a white background and “LOST” on the screen, it gave me the impression that it was the end of something as it was sooo different. i dont know why everyone is assuming that juliet is dead. if shes dead, theyre all dead. in one of the last episodes, when sun brought richard the picture of th o6 in dharmaville to try to see if he knows where they are, he says that he watched them all die. this consolidates my belief that season 6 will not be progressing further with the story so much, but rather tying up all the loose ends (like new locke and jacobs end).so i think that jack, kate etc. plans of blowing up th H bomb worked and they restart and i think that season 5 was the more the end of the “lost” story than season 6 will be.
May 18th, 2009 at 11:25 pm
I’ve been having a little look through wiki at some of the Egyptian gods and have stumbled across this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horus amongst a lot of other stuff.
I think there’s many ways in which this could be linked with Jacob and smokey and others on the island to this article.
If you have any views on this please share i just have too much to say about this i can’t get it out!!!!
One thing i like is how it mentions the kings of eygpt were associated with horus in life and osiris in death. like locke maybe?
one other thing about horus is that he is depicted as a god of the sky (falcon god) and also as god of the sun, like the picture jacob was weaving with the sun shining down on some people. Another view is god of war (falcon being a hunter) and the Pharaohs being horus in human form, or maybe this is his army. Also the god Nemty, who is identified as being horus is a god of war and apparently means ‘he who travels’…. through time possibly?
Horus’s nemesis is Set who killed his father, Orisis. Horus therefore battles with Set to gain revenge and set a rightful ruler of eygpt… or leader of the island???
Set is a god of desert/darkness/chaos and depicted as a beasts so there is a bit of a link there with smokey.
There are other gods which do have some significance if you look into it deep enough. Geb and Nut are gods of the earth and sky who are father and mother to Orisis, Isis, and Set. Earth here may link well with the island itself.
There are also other gods which got merged with horus over time like Ra (sun god) who kills Apep a demon of darkness and chaos, who is like Set.
I could go on and on but i think there’s a quite a few ways you could interpret all this, and the fact that they’ve given us so little to gauge the next season on i could read a pack of cornflakes and think its lost information!!! But please share your thoughts on this, i also like the link with Christianity and maybe there are other religious links.
May 20th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
when i looked up the statue….this is what i got….Taweret (Taueret, Taurt, Toeris, Ipy, Ipet, Apet, Opet, Reret) – The Great Female – was the ancient Egyptian goddess of maternity and childbirth, protector of women and children. Like Bes, she was both a fierce demonic fighter as well as a popular deity who guarded the mother and her newborn child.
maybe somehow (the bomb? or earth shaking) made the statue fall and thus stop protecting the pregnant women on the island so in fact Julia (indirectly) was the very cause of the pregnant women dying on the island and why she had come to the island to begin with.
Wasn’t the cabin in the wood’s Horus’? i thought he was the one who built it for his family.
May 20th, 2009 at 6:51 pm
When they show Jacob under the foot when Ben and the imposter Locke show up to see him, they show that tapestry he was making. According to the abc recap it has both Egyptian and Greek symbols on it. I’m hoping to find a good picture of it and maybe I can translate them the way I did the final symbols that show up on the hatch’s timer way back when.
May 20th, 2009 at 8:34 pm
I think I may have figured something out…
The man in black is Smokey. And he has the power to enter into the bodies of dead people on the island (for example, Locke and Christian).
He is in some kind of war with Jacob. But there are certian rules, one being that the man in black cannot kill Jacob himself.
So the man in black hatches a plan. He ‘grooms’ Locke during his time on the island (Locke had more encounters with Smokey than anyone else).
During the time jumping, things got screwed somehow. I will explain my thoughts on that another time. But the man in black (in Locke’s body) told Richard to tell old Locke that he had to die in order to save the island, the man in black knowing that Locke would do whatever it took to save the island.
If you remember, Locke told Ben what Richard had said and Ben then killed Locke. I think this was Ben thinking he was doing the right thing at the time (killing Locke in order to save the island).
Smokey then encounters Ben, who came to be judged. Smokey tells Ben to do whatever Locke says. So when Locke tells Ben he is going to kill Jacob, Ben would agree to it for fear of Smokey. And Ben ends up killing Jacob, thus the man in black finds his loop-hole.
I hope that makes sense. Let me know your thoughts.
May 20th, 2009 at 9:14 pm
sandstorm, i love your explanation…concise and makes sense in a Lost kind of way…lol
I was thinking that maybe if we thought about Jacob in the same way as “grooming” the losties he visited …helping them in times of need, putting subliminal ideas into them but always allowing the free will that maybe it is like one giant game to them and the people are just the players.
May 20th, 2009 at 9:45 pm
sandstorm: You know, I’ve been thinking that the man in black is smokey as well, at least until recently. It’s just too obvious and this show has always been a pro at dealing out a good con.
Here’s some examples. Ben was never summoned to speak with Jacob, he didn’t know where Jacob lived. Richard was the one who passed Jacob’s orders on to Ben. Way back when when Locke first joined up with the others and forced Ben to take him to see Jacob, he announced it in front of the entire Other camp that he and Ben were going to see Jacob. Richard knew that Ben didn’t know where Jacob lived, but he didn’t say anything. I don’t know, maybe Richard thought that Jacob had somehow communicated with Locke.
Anyhow, Ben takes Locke to that cabin that Horace built telling Locke it was Jacob’s cabin. We see Locke check out that ash circle around the cabin, then he follows Ben into the cabin and Ben does his act for Locke. But something happens that I don’t even think Ben was ready for. I take it that was the man in black pulling all those tricks and then saying, “Help me.” to Locke. Ben finds out that he heard something and he thinks Locke heard Jacob. Ben is pissed because Jacob has never once in all the years he has lived on the island never once talked with Ben. So Ben shoots Locke and leaves him for dead in the DHARMA body pit. Then Walt shows up to tell Locke he has work to do and saves him. Is it Walt? Is it an illusion sent by the man in black or is it Jacob in disguise? Or is it Walt from the future?
So like I said, the big con here has been Jacob’s cabin that has never really been Jacob’s cabin. With that ash circle around it, it seems to have been some sort of spiritual prison – I assume for the man in black. How long has he been imprisioned there. Couldn’t have been too long, Horace was building the cabin it appears right as the Purge happened, which if I remember correctly was 12 years before the O6 leave the island. Which would be around 1992. Poor Calvin must have just got to the island and then ended up stuck in the Swan station with Radzinsky for all those years until Desmond shows up. So isn’t that a bit interesting that the Purge and the circle around Jacob’s cabin may have happened at the same time?
For us, the only people we’ve seen in that cabin has been Christian and then Claire. Isn’t that weird?
The last thing Jacob said before he died was, “They’re coming.” The man in balck seemed a bit upset about that. Does he mean that the Losties stuck in the 1970’s are coming forward in time?
What about Walt? We know he has special powers and they were being enhanced while he was on the island. Remember way way back in Season 1 before the hatch is opened? Walt touches Locke for a second and sees something that scares him. He tells Locke not to open it – don’t open that thing. Before that, he wanted to stay on the island, but after that, he wants to leave. So will Walt come back to the island?
Then there’s Aaron. That psychic guy who we really don’t know if he’s real or fake because they threw that show with hime and Mr. Ecko in there. But he tells Claire that there’s grave danger if her baby is raised by anyone else but Claire. There were things that happened with Aaron, like when Charlie died, suddenly Aaron started crying right at that moment as if he knew. So anyhow, Claire is now hanging out in the Cabin and first Kate and then Claire’s mother is looking out after Aaron. So now, what will happen with Aaron, is he going to grow up to be some sort of demon or something? Is Claire dead, or is she being held captive in that cabin? Was that really Claire who came to tell Kate not to bring Aaron back to the island or was it the man in black (MIB) ensuring that Aaron wouldn’t be raised by Claire?
So I’m wondering about next season. Maybe it’ll pick up some years later after Ben killed Jacob. It might deal with a conflict between Walt and Aaron.
But here’s the thing, even if after they set off that H-bomb, it changes history and they all end up back on flight 815, it’s still going to fly its course and end up over the island. Jacob has shown an interest in at least some of them, so maybe even if the plane doesn’t crash, they still may flash and end up on the island.
Well, my head is hurting. LOL! Nine whole months to find out what’s going to happen. Man I wish I knew where I could find one of those donkey wheels to speed things up some.
May 20th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
Hollywood: Remember way back in Season 1 when Locke is teaching Walt how to play bacgammon (sp?)? He tells him one side is light and the other dark? That was like the set up for this entire show. Jacob and the MIB are the players and everyone else are the pieces.
May 20th, 2009 at 10:30 pm
Exactly GaryG! and in backgammon sometimes your pieces are out for good as you count them out on your side and sometimes they get “captured” and you have to free them so you can continue playing the game.
May 22nd, 2009 at 10:49 am
Hollywood: You know, another thing about backgammon, your pieces are safe from your opponent as long as you keep them stacked 2 or more in a group. It’s when they’re alone that they are vulnerable.
May 22nd, 2009 at 12:11 pm
That’s true i forgot about that part.
May 22nd, 2009 at 1:29 pm
I’ve started watching Season 1 again. I’m trying to figure out what happened to Locke. In Season 1, Locke seemed to be the Dr. Phil of the Losties. He was always cool and collected and seemed to know so much about the island and everyone’s issues. Think about it, he helped Charlie get over his drugs, Jack when he saw his dad and was worried about everyone looking to him as a leader, Boone and Shannon with their issues, Sun’s problems, and I could just keep going on with this list. But then suddenly in Season 2, he began to lose it. Somewhere there when he jumped on Charlie and beat him to a pulp on the beach. Right after that, Ben showed up who really messed with Locke’s mind. But anyhow, back to backgammon and the being alone. They mention that so much in the show telling each other that they’re not alone in this and don’t try to be. The whole, “Live together, die alone,” thing. Seeing how Season 5 ended, I’m now wondering it there was more to that.