5 x 16 & 5 X 17: The Incident
Hi Friends! I can’t believe Season Five is over. It’s like when a relative (one that you like) comes to visit and at some point you are ready to get your house back but in another way you are sad to see them go. I was thrilled to see the season play out and there wasn’t even one episode that I was disappointed with but I was also very sad for it to end, especially knowing we only have one season left! Argh! What will our new obsession be?
So for me I want to start with the Sawyer / Juliet scene at the hatch. H-E-A-R-T-B-R-E-A-K-I-N-G. I don’t cry for very many shows and that scene did it for me. But I keep thinking of what our softened up 1977 Sawyer is going to become after this event. Look out folks, you aint see nothing yet! The sheriff is back in town and he’s got one hell of a chip on his shoulder!
Ugh, the heartbreak!
Way to go Juliet! Push through the pain!
1. So we know Jacob likes to weave rugs. If anyone can read what is on this one that would be super cool and appreciated. But the rug is always the same in the end, right, it’s just a rug. Anything he learns in the making of the next one or does different is progress. Just like what he says about people coming to the island.
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2. Did Jacob catch a red herring? The significance of that would be huge! Or, it was just be amusing.
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3. Black and white shirts. How fitting.
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4. Thank goodness Dan was so detailed regarding the bomb. Maybe he had some sort of inkling that he may not be the one to do it or he knows how bad his memory is so that is why he was so very detailed.
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5. Locke wants to kill the rest of the passengers from the Ajira flight, I assume. He tells Richard that once they are done with Jacob that they need to “deal with them.” How interesting. Perhaps he knows that Ilana and the others are there to help Jacob. I don’t like the new Locke anymore.
6. Frank being a “candidate” must have something to do with how Jacob will take form and speak to them after his death. Ultimately, it’s going to be either Miles or Hurley, I think, that does the talking for him. Heck, Hurley may even be able to get a game of chess going.
7. It makes sense that Smokey, the man in black, and undead Locke are all the same entity. Smokey came to Ben and told him he had to do whatever Locke told him. duh! Like killing Jacob. Smokey was *reading* everyone on the island as it/he needed to find the right person that it/he could manipulate. No wonder it didn’t kill Locke! It wanted him for later use.
8. Jacob didn’t kill Nadia, he actually saved Sayid from being killed. He made Sayid pause before crossing and thus he didn’t get hit by the car that ran the red light.
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9. Vincent! Unfortunately, I’m sure that this will be the last time we’ll see this dog. No back story. No more showing up when there’s trouble. Unless… Jacob chooses Vincent to be his vessel around the island now that he’s dad. That would be cool.
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10. This is the last of Rose and Bernard, too. But, I love that they found a loophole of their own. They don’t play the game anymore, they just live. They’ve embraced the island and it is what it is for them. I would venture to say that they are the “Adam and Eve” that were found in the cave back oh so many seasons ago. Too bad Sawyer and Juliet couldn’t have found the same Garden of Eden for themselves.
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11. The circle of Ash was broken from around Jacob’s cabin. If memory serves, it was Locke that bent down and picked up some of the ash. Perhaps that is when it was broken?
12. Ilana’s eye opening. It also kind of reminds me of Michael from the Halloween movies. Eeeek!
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13. Ilana didn’t just go back to the island to help Jacob. She also made a little pit stop and nabbed Sayid to bring him back with her. That is why I don’t think that Sayid will die from the gunshot nor will he did from the bomb. Jacob needs him there for some purpose.
14. Here is the part of the rug (I assume) that Jacob made at some point which Ilana knows already what it means. I am hoping that we see some back story next year on their relationship. Maybe she’s really old like Richard.
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15. It’s interesting that they’re carrying around the big old cargo crate like it’s the Arc of the Covenant. Did they really have to pick such a huge friggin’ box that took four guys to carry around the island? I guess the writer’s couldn’t have used such blatant biblical imagery if they would have thrown him in a body bag or a knapsack.
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16. Maybe it’s not the content of the book Jacob is reading that is important, but more about the author, “lead readers—whom she sees as, for the most part, spiritually lost in the modern, secular world—back toward the path of redemption.”
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17. I miss Charlie!
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18. Sun finding this ring makes me think back to when she (ironically) found her wedding ring in the sand. How unlikely was that? Perhaps some *divine* intervention helped her out there?
19. The scene at the funeral of Sawyer’s parents, there is the sound of a large bird right before Jacob shows up. Then, as he leaves you can hear the sound of a bird again (like a crow perhaps). Could that be how Jacob gets around? Remember the bird on the island that we thought sounded like it said “Hurley? I keep thinking back to The Stand and in the book Randall Flagg gets around this way – he takes the shape of a bird. Only, he’s the bad guy in that book and I like to think that Jacob is the good guy.
20. I’m not liking that is was Jack’s dad that taught him about counting to five. One of the most meaningful and life changing events and we find out that it was his dad who told him to do it. Doesn’t seem as moving knowing this. Oh, and Sawyer wanted just “five” minutes with Jack. Lucky number I guess.
21. Everyone that Jacob “touched” (except for Sun and Locke) were on the list of people that Jacob wanted from the survivors. And, they are “coming” back from the past. He somehow prepared them for this moment in the touches I think.
22. The Sawyer and Jack fight was 5 seasons coming. Glad they finally got that out of their systems … I hope.
23. My bets are on Hurley for taking over as the leader of the Losties. He was an indirect leader before (back on the beach Hurley had a subtle way of getting people to do things) and I can see him doing it again. The war is coming between the black and white, the good and evil on the island and it doesn’t get much better than Hurley. Plus, he’ll be able to talk to Jacob and what to do next.
24. I loved the scene in the cab with Jacob and Hurley. Someone to calmly tell him that he’s not crazy and getting to talk to those he lost is a blessing. But I don’t believe that him coming back to the island was a choice. Jacob knew once Hurley saw that guitar that he would go back (remember that Charlie told him that the people back on the island needed him).
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25. The fact that Mrs Hawking and Jacob both were working to get the Losties on the plane and back to the island tells me that she is actually a “good” guy.
26. Creepy Locke. Nice shadowing on the face – black and white / light and dark.
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27. Marvin Candle had a gimpy arm in the Dharma videos. We see that during the *incident* that his arm gets trapped and Miles helps to free him. So…. wouldn’t that mean that this event *has* happened before? How likely is it that another event was the cause of hurting his arm? Like Miles said, Jack is creating the exact event that he thought he was preventing. Free will be damned, this was meant to happen.
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28. What if Jacob decides to take over the Locke body from the plane? Locke versus Locke? Like the old Spy versus Spy cartoons!
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29. Jacob tells Ben that he has a choice – either to do what Locke asks or leave. Kind of like he told Hurley he had a choice. I don’t think Ben had much choice and Jacob knew it. But Jacob won’t be dead in the spiritual sense. Maybe he’ll even become one of the “whispers.”
30. I think once Ben realizes next season that Jacob wasn’t the bad guy he’s going to have some big regrets. Ben has been trusting and believing in Jacob for a very long time. I’m sure he still cares about him in a sense too.
31. If I were an actress and I knew I was going to be killed off of a show, I would ask for the exact death Juliet had. That was amazing. And she is an amazing actress. Oh, and in the context of the show, I guess the island wasn’t done with her or she would have been so dead at the end of that fall.
32. THE greatest season ender…. ever.
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33. So where do we go from here? It’s safe to say the Losties aren’t dead. Matthew Fox did an interview after the finale and admitted that they weren’t dead. But, from knowing this show there is no way that they will just suddenly appear back in regular time. There will be a cool and interesting way that they are brought back. Maybe they will be a big troop of Locke’s. lol Maybe they will be the whispers. Maybe they will inhabit all the dead bodies around the island.
34. Desmond had a small roll this season but truly I think Des is the one and only person who can truly be a variable in all of this. Des is special. Once he shows up then all bets are off. Maybe ultimately Des will become the new Jacob in the end.
35. Sayid will be alive. He has to be. Jacob saved him for a reason.
36. Which side of the war will Richard chose?
37. What does Locke need with all of the Others? He told him that they would need rest to be ready for what he had prepared for them. Which is what?
38. We still don’t know what was in the box that Ben was hiding from Jack when he was in the hotel room.
39. Walt *saw* Locke, in a suit, running from lots of people trying to kill him. Will Locke rise again in Jack’s dad’s shoes?
40. Will Walt return to the island?
41. How will Claire come back into play? Aaron is surely coming back as well. Will Desmond’s vision of them leaving the island on a helicopter come true?
May 25th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
I forgot that Sun found Charlie’s ring in Aaron’s cradle. I have a feeling that ring is going to play big in getting Claire back into the show next season. She seemed pretty strange when Locke met her in the cabin with Christian. The season where Charlie died, I felt so sad that he left his ring behind and that Claire never found it. But now I can see that that ring will become important. Charlie sacrificed himself for all of the Losties, but mostly for Claire. It was a true sacrifice because he knew that going down to the Looking Glass would also mean his death. So now here we have his ring again, something to remind Claire of Charlie’s sacrifice and yank her back to reality.
May 26th, 2009 at 10:40 am
Great work as always, but if i could throw in my two cents, something occured to me about what you said on #27. Ignoring all their influence before hand, Jack and the Losties only real influence on what happened at the swan during the incident was when jack dropped the h-bomb down the hole, and we know that it didn’t go off until Juliette hit it with the rock, so surely everything that happened with all the electromagnetism, and things getting pulled into the hole would have happened anyway, meaning that Chang’s hand would have been crushed anyway, because i have no doubt he would have been at the swan for such an important moment whether the Losties had interfiered
May 26th, 2009 at 10:42 am
***whether the Losties had interfered or not, so i dont know how much we can judge from the whole prosthetic arm debate.
9 months is going to be a LONG time to wait!
May 26th, 2009 at 11:06 am
Rob: Hey, I’m not so sure. When Chang showed up the first thing Radzinsky said to him is, “What are you doing here?” in a way that suggests he didn’t expect Chang to be there. So he may not have gone to the Swan site had Miles and them not told him that there was going to be an incident. Also, it was Miles who pulled him out from under the wreckage and saved his life.
May 26th, 2009 at 11:19 am
Gary good point you made witht he last comment. I am kinda still torn between what happened and what should have or shouldn’t have happened. I think that miles had a good point when he said that they were causing the incident. But i also think that maybe they just effected it somehow. I wonder now how much more time the losties will be in the 70’s. How many tapes were seen with changs arm being weird? Maybe it was a prosthetic and maybe it wasn’t. Maybe it healed badly because there is no one to set it properly. Oh but wait there’s jack. Im getting confused.
May 26th, 2009 at 11:33 am
ashleyb: Well, here’s the really strange thing about Chang’s injury. They’re on the island where a broken back can be healed alowing a man who’s wheel chaired to walk again – instantly. So why is there any harm to Chang’s arm? It’s the same question asked when Ben got his tumor and Jack’s appendicitis.
May 26th, 2009 at 11:48 am
did anyone else see the rainbow right beofe vincent comes out of the woods?
May 26th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
I am still struggling with the black vs white thing. We see these two colors pitted against each other all the time, but I see them more as adversaries than good vs evil. The difference between good/evil is based more on your individual perspective of the situation. This seems to be the battle between “Jacob and Esau” happening over and over again; we just happen to be watching it unfold with the pawns on Oceanic 518.
May 26th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
I’ve thought of the story of Jacob and Esau a few times before. If Jacob is that Jacob and the man in black is Esau, it’d mean that Esau would actually be the rightful ruler being the first born and Jacob had displaced him. Also, in addition to black and white, we see a lot of red in the show and Esau is also associated with the color red.
May 26th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
You know, when you think about it, that first scene where we meet Jacob and the man in black where Jacob offers the man in black some fish kind of makes sense if the man in black is Esau. Esau traded his birthright to Jacob for some food, the argument is that Esau was starving and his brother Jacob would only share his food with him for Esau’s claim to their father’s wealth. So Jacob offering the man in black some of his fish may have been a cruel joke.
May 29th, 2009 at 2:43 am
Well, I’ve tried to translate the Greek words that Jacob has written on the rug he was making, but the letters just aren’t clear enough. Hopefully when it comes out on tape I’ll be able to stop it and see them better.
But the loom and Jacob doing this weaving does remind me of the Moirai. The goddesses of fate who personified the inescapable destiny of man. Does this theme sound familiar to LOST? They assigned to every person his or her fate or share in the scheme of things. Their name means “Parts,” Shares” or “Alotted Portions.”
Moiragetes, the god of fate, was their leader. Klotho, the Spinner, spinned the thread of life. Lakhesis, the Apportioner of Lots, measured the thread of life. Atropos or Aisa, cut the thread of life (their death).
Anyhow, do the search for them online and read up on them and let me know if this all fits to the LOST theme of things. The loom and the writing in Greek really made me think of them.
May 29th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
Has anyone ever read the book, “Walden Two” by B. F. Skinner? It’s a strange book about an experimental community and kind of reminds me of the DI. It’s non-fiction, but written like a story and Skinner’s concept of a Utopian society. In the indoc movies they mention B. F. Skinner and I think it’s because of this book.
I have a feeling that the survivors of 815 are “old souls” and that they have been to the island in other lives. Maybe their souls were on the Black Rock and that’s why Claire had dreams about trying to get away from a black rock. Also there’s Desmond and his always saying, “See you in another life.” Maybe they keep coming back again and again to try and set things right.
I also mentioned one or two seasons ago that maybe the Others weren’t there to protect the island, but were there to protect the rest of the world from the island. I mean look at the havoc the DI caused by building the Swan station. People had to press that button every 108 minutes to save the world. I think there was more too it than electromagnitism and an H-bomb. What would a super being look like or maybe the soul of a super being? Scientists and philosophers speculate that the human soul maybe electromagnetic because of our body chemistry. So, well, you see what I’m getting at?
May 30th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
im not sure if anyones already said this, but is there any chance that the boat that they see at the begining of the episode is the black rock???
May 30th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
I would expect it to be the black rock… not sure how it get so far inland though.
May 30th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
Yes, I expect that it’s the Black Rock. They seem to show things that are important to the history of the show. And I thought of something, what if they begin next season showing what happened to the Black Rock? And what if we find out the main people on the Black Rock are the people from 815 living in a former life? That’d be pretty weird…lol.
June 1st, 2009 at 6:28 pm
Oh, one thing I never really mentioned before because I always thought it was just a mistake. But in a bunch of the night scenes throught this show’s 5 seasons they would sometimes show the Big Dipper. The Big Dipper is a northern constellation which isn’t seen down there around Australia and such, they have things like The Southern Cross that us up here north of the Equator don’t get to see. I always thought it was just bad filming, but in some of those scenes, it looked so purposeful how it was shown so clearly. I know think it was done to show that the island was constantly moving like Hawkin told Jack and them when they were trying to get back to the island. But GG likes to mention how important north has been in this show and the Big Dipper has always been used to point the way north. Run away slaves used it to guide themselves to freedom – it’s mentioned in some of their songs and the North Star (which the tail of the Big Dipper points to) was included in their comforters which would be hung outside homes as a sign to those on the run.
June 16th, 2009 at 5:55 am
Here’s something positive. If the man in black is Locke, Smokey and Christian, from what we’ve seen, he can never be both at the same time. We see Christian, but Locke isn’t there. Locke leaves and Smokey shows up to judge Ben. So it appears that the man in black can only be one of them at a time. So go back a season or two when Locke is still alive and Locke and he finds the cabin and meets Christian and then sees Claire sitting there acting all weird. This could mean that Claire may actually be alive.
December 17th, 2009 at 3:09 am
Well, this is a very late post, but finally watching this season again on DVD, I noticed something that all of us missed and it just seems so important (and obvious) – and unusual. It seems to be an elite club of people who actually know and get to talk with Jacob – right? Before “dead” Locke showed up and forced Richard to bring him to Jacob, the only person we know of for sure who’s seen Jacob is Richard. We really don’t know if Charles or Eloise has ever seen Jacob. Ben we find out has never seen him. But then there’s Ilana who Jacob recruited in the hospital. She not only seems to know Jacob, but when they get to the island, they know where the cabin is, they seem to understand the significance of the circle of ash around the cabin and are upset that it’s been broken. They also know where the statue foot is where Jacob lives. But when their group meets up with Richard’s group to show off Locke’s dead body (here’s what no one mentioned) – none of them know each other. They have to use that “Shadow of the statue” code of theirs. It just seems important to me that Richard and Ilana both know Jacob, Ilana has intimate knowledge of the island, but neither of them have ever met before.