Comments on: 5 x 16 & 5 X 17: The Incident http://www.gitsiegirl.com/5-x-16-5-x-17-the-incident.htm Mon, 05 Dec 2011 03:37:00 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: GaryG http://www.gitsiegirl.com/5-x-16-5-x-17-the-incident.htm/comment-page-1#comment-231022 GaryG Thu, 17 Dec 2009 07:09:03 +0000 http://www.gitsiegirl.com/5-x-16-5-x-17-the-incident.htm#comment-231022 Well, this is a very late post, but finally watching this season again on DVD, I noticed something that all of us missed and it just seems so important (and obvious) - and unusual. It seems to be an elite club of people who actually know and get to talk with Jacob - right? Before "dead" Locke showed up and forced Richard to bring him to Jacob, the only person we know of for sure who's seen Jacob is Richard. We really don't know if Charles or Eloise has ever seen Jacob. Ben we find out has never seen him. But then there's Ilana who Jacob recruited in the hospital. She not only seems to know Jacob, but when they get to the island, they know where the cabin is, they seem to understand the significance of the circle of ash around the cabin and are upset that it's been broken. They also know where the statue foot is where Jacob lives. But when their group meets up with Richard's group to show off Locke's dead body (here's what no one mentioned) - none of them know each other. They have to use that "Shadow of the statue" code of theirs. It just seems important to me that Richard and Ilana both know Jacob, Ilana has intimate knowledge of the island, but neither of them have ever met before. Well, this is a very late post, but finally watching this season again on DVD, I noticed something that all of us missed and it just seems so important (and obvious) – and unusual. It seems to be an elite club of people who actually know and get to talk with Jacob – right? Before “dead” Locke showed up and forced Richard to bring him to Jacob, the only person we know of for sure who’s seen Jacob is Richard. We really don’t know if Charles or Eloise has ever seen Jacob. Ben we find out has never seen him. But then there’s Ilana who Jacob recruited in the hospital. She not only seems to know Jacob, but when they get to the island, they know where the cabin is, they seem to understand the significance of the circle of ash around the cabin and are upset that it’s been broken. They also know where the statue foot is where Jacob lives. But when their group meets up with Richard’s group to show off Locke’s dead body (here’s what no one mentioned) – none of them know each other. They have to use that “Shadow of the statue” code of theirs. It just seems important to me that Richard and Ilana both know Jacob, Ilana has intimate knowledge of the island, but neither of them have ever met before.

]]> By: GaryG http://www.gitsiegirl.com/5-x-16-5-x-17-the-incident.htm/comment-page-1#comment-211284 GaryG Tue, 16 Jun 2009 09:55:51 +0000 http://www.gitsiegirl.com/5-x-16-5-x-17-the-incident.htm#comment-211284 Here's something positive. If the man in black is Locke, Smokey and Christian, from what we've seen, he can never be both at the same time. We see Christian, but Locke isn't there. Locke leaves and Smokey shows up to judge Ben. So it appears that the man in black can only be one of them at a time. So go back a season or two when Locke is still alive and Locke and he finds the cabin and meets Christian and then sees Claire sitting there acting all weird. This could mean that Claire may actually be alive. Here’s something positive. If the man in black is Locke, Smokey and Christian, from what we’ve seen, he can never be both at the same time. We see Christian, but Locke isn’t there. Locke leaves and Smokey shows up to judge Ben. So it appears that the man in black can only be one of them at a time. So go back a season or two when Locke is still alive and Locke and he finds the cabin and meets Christian and then sees Claire sitting there acting all weird. This could mean that Claire may actually be alive.

]]> By: GaryG http://www.gitsiegirl.com/5-x-16-5-x-17-the-incident.htm/comment-page-1#comment-207310 GaryG Mon, 01 Jun 2009 22:28:16 +0000 http://www.gitsiegirl.com/5-x-16-5-x-17-the-incident.htm#comment-207310 Oh, one thing I never really mentioned before because I always thought it was just a mistake. But in a bunch of the night scenes throught this show's 5 seasons they would sometimes show the Big Dipper. The Big Dipper is a northern constellation which isn't seen down there around Australia and such, they have things like The Southern Cross that us up here north of the Equator don't get to see. I always thought it was just bad filming, but in some of those scenes, it looked so purposeful how it was shown so clearly. I know think it was done to show that the island was constantly moving like Hawkin told Jack and them when they were trying to get back to the island. But GG likes to mention how important north has been in this show and the Big Dipper has always been used to point the way north. Run away slaves used it to guide themselves to freedom - it's mentioned in some of their songs and the North Star (which the tail of the Big Dipper points to) was included in their comforters which would be hung outside homes as a sign to those on the run. Oh, one thing I never really mentioned before because I always thought it was just a mistake. But in a bunch of the night scenes throught this show’s 5 seasons they would sometimes show the Big Dipper. The Big Dipper is a northern constellation which isn’t seen down there around Australia and such, they have things like The Southern Cross that us up here north of the Equator don’t get to see. I always thought it was just bad filming, but in some of those scenes, it looked so purposeful how it was shown so clearly. I know think it was done to show that the island was constantly moving like Hawkin told Jack and them when they were trying to get back to the island. But GG likes to mention how important north has been in this show and the Big Dipper has always been used to point the way north. Run away slaves used it to guide themselves to freedom – it’s mentioned in some of their songs and the North Star (which the tail of the Big Dipper points to) was included in their comforters which would be hung outside homes as a sign to those on the run.

]]> By: GaryG http://www.gitsiegirl.com/5-x-16-5-x-17-the-incident.htm/comment-page-1#comment-206626 GaryG Sat, 30 May 2009 22:41:16 +0000 http://www.gitsiegirl.com/5-x-16-5-x-17-the-incident.htm#comment-206626 Yes, I expect that it's the Black Rock. They seem to show things that are important to the history of the show. And I thought of something, what if they begin next season showing what happened to the Black Rock? And what if we find out the main people on the Black Rock are the people from 815 living in a former life? That'd be pretty weird...lol. Yes, I expect that it’s the Black Rock. They seem to show things that are important to the history of the show. And I thought of something, what if they begin next season showing what happened to the Black Rock? And what if we find out the main people on the Black Rock are the people from 815 living in a former life? That’d be pretty weird…lol.

]]> By: William http://www.gitsiegirl.com/5-x-16-5-x-17-the-incident.htm/comment-page-1#comment-206608 William Sat, 30 May 2009 21:49:25 +0000 http://www.gitsiegirl.com/5-x-16-5-x-17-the-incident.htm#comment-206608 I would expect it to be the black rock... not sure how it get so far inland though. I would expect it to be the black rock… not sure how it get so far inland though.

]]> By: colin http://www.gitsiegirl.com/5-x-16-5-x-17-the-incident.htm/comment-page-1#comment-206604 colin Sat, 30 May 2009 21:30:06 +0000 http://www.gitsiegirl.com/5-x-16-5-x-17-the-incident.htm#comment-206604 im not sure if anyones already said this, but is there any chance that the boat that they see at the begining of the episode is the black rock??? im not sure if anyones already said this, but is there any chance that the boat that they see at the begining of the episode is the black rock???

]]> By: GaryG http://www.gitsiegirl.com/5-x-16-5-x-17-the-incident.htm/comment-page-1#comment-206246 GaryG Fri, 29 May 2009 19:10:34 +0000 http://www.gitsiegirl.com/5-x-16-5-x-17-the-incident.htm#comment-206246 Has anyone ever read the book, "Walden Two" by B. F. Skinner? It's a strange book about an experimental community and kind of reminds me of the DI. It's non-fiction, but written like a story and Skinner's concept of a Utopian society. In the indoc movies they mention B. F. Skinner and I think it's because of this book. I have a feeling that the survivors of 815 are "old souls" and that they have been to the island in other lives. Maybe their souls were on the Black Rock and that's why Claire had dreams about trying to get away from a black rock. Also there's Desmond and his always saying, "See you in another life." Maybe they keep coming back again and again to try and set things right. I also mentioned one or two seasons ago that maybe the Others weren't there to protect the island, but were there to protect the rest of the world from the island. I mean look at the havoc the DI caused by building the Swan station. People had to press that button every 108 minutes to save the world. I think there was more too it than electromagnitism and an H-bomb. What would a super being look like or maybe the soul of a super being? Scientists and philosophers speculate that the human soul maybe electromagnetic because of our body chemistry. So, well, you see what I'm getting at? Has anyone ever read the book, “Walden Two” by B. F. Skinner? It’s a strange book about an experimental community and kind of reminds me of the DI. It’s non-fiction, but written like a story and Skinner’s concept of a Utopian society. In the indoc movies they mention B. F. Skinner and I think it’s because of this book.

I have a feeling that the survivors of 815 are “old souls” and that they have been to the island in other lives. Maybe their souls were on the Black Rock and that’s why Claire had dreams about trying to get away from a black rock. Also there’s Desmond and his always saying, “See you in another life.” Maybe they keep coming back again and again to try and set things right.

I also mentioned one or two seasons ago that maybe the Others weren’t there to protect the island, but were there to protect the rest of the world from the island. I mean look at the havoc the DI caused by building the Swan station. People had to press that button every 108 minutes to save the world. I think there was more too it than electromagnitism and an H-bomb. What would a super being look like or maybe the soul of a super being? Scientists and philosophers speculate that the human soul maybe electromagnetic because of our body chemistry. So, well, you see what I’m getting at?

]]> By: GaryG http://www.gitsiegirl.com/5-x-16-5-x-17-the-incident.htm/comment-page-1#comment-206060 GaryG Fri, 29 May 2009 06:43:46 +0000 http://www.gitsiegirl.com/5-x-16-5-x-17-the-incident.htm#comment-206060 Well, I've tried to translate the Greek words that Jacob has written on the rug he was making, but the letters just aren't clear enough. Hopefully when it comes out on tape I'll be able to stop it and see them better. But the loom and Jacob doing this weaving does remind me of the Moirai. The goddesses of fate who personified the inescapable destiny of man. Does this theme sound familiar to LOST? They assigned to every person his or her fate or share in the scheme of things. Their name means "Parts," Shares" or "Alotted Portions." Moiragetes, the god of fate, was their leader. Klotho, the Spinner, spinned the thread of life. Lakhesis, the Apportioner of Lots, measured the thread of life. Atropos or Aisa, cut the thread of life (their death). Anyhow, do the search for them online and read up on them and let me know if this all fits to the LOST theme of things. The loom and the writing in Greek really made me think of them. Well, I’ve tried to translate the Greek words that Jacob has written on the rug he was making, but the letters just aren’t clear enough. Hopefully when it comes out on tape I’ll be able to stop it and see them better.

But the loom and Jacob doing this weaving does remind me of the Moirai. The goddesses of fate who personified the inescapable destiny of man. Does this theme sound familiar to LOST? They assigned to every person his or her fate or share in the scheme of things. Their name means “Parts,” Shares” or “Alotted Portions.”

Moiragetes, the god of fate, was their leader. Klotho, the Spinner, spinned the thread of life. Lakhesis, the Apportioner of Lots, measured the thread of life. Atropos or Aisa, cut the thread of life (their death).

Anyhow, do the search for them online and read up on them and let me know if this all fits to the LOST theme of things. The loom and the writing in Greek really made me think of them.

]]> By: GaryG http://www.gitsiegirl.com/5-x-16-5-x-17-the-incident.htm/comment-page-1#comment-205390 GaryG Tue, 26 May 2009 17:40:25 +0000 http://www.gitsiegirl.com/5-x-16-5-x-17-the-incident.htm#comment-205390 You know, when you think about it, that first scene where we meet Jacob and the man in black where Jacob offers the man in black some fish kind of makes sense if the man in black is Esau. Esau traded his birthright to Jacob for some food, the argument is that Esau was starving and his brother Jacob would only share his food with him for Esau's claim to their father's wealth. So Jacob offering the man in black some of his fish may have been a cruel joke. You know, when you think about it, that first scene where we meet Jacob and the man in black where Jacob offers the man in black some fish kind of makes sense if the man in black is Esau. Esau traded his birthright to Jacob for some food, the argument is that Esau was starving and his brother Jacob would only share his food with him for Esau’s claim to their father’s wealth. So Jacob offering the man in black some of his fish may have been a cruel joke.

]]> By: GaryG http://www.gitsiegirl.com/5-x-16-5-x-17-the-incident.htm/comment-page-1#comment-205389 GaryG Tue, 26 May 2009 17:30:51 +0000 http://www.gitsiegirl.com/5-x-16-5-x-17-the-incident.htm#comment-205389 I've thought of the story of Jacob and Esau a few times before. If Jacob is that Jacob and the man in black is Esau, it'd mean that Esau would actually be the rightful ruler being the first born and Jacob had displaced him. Also, in addition to black and white, we see a lot of red in the show and Esau is also associated with the color red. I’ve thought of the story of Jacob and Esau a few times before. If Jacob is that Jacob and the man in black is Esau, it’d mean that Esau would actually be the rightful ruler being the first born and Jacob had displaced him. Also, in addition to black and white, we see a lot of red in the show and Esau is also associated with the color red.

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