Initial Thoughts: Across The Sea
Hi everyone. I’m going to try and be objective but wow was I disappointed tonight. The writing and acting just wasn’t doing it for me tonight. I was so looking forward to this week and with one epi left after tonight I expected to have my socks knocked off. One of the reasons I think so many of us love Lost is that they don’t dumb things down for us and tonight I felt like they did.
1. I found the reflection of the “new mother” in the water interesting.
2. Are we to believe that the “new mother” was chosen to protect the island and that there were people here before her? Did she get the “sickness” and kill them all like Danielle?
3. The “new mother” seemed OK with the babies until MIB was born. And cute that they are in black and white blankets from the start. Then MIB won’t stop crying and “BAM” she beats her on the head. OK, was that necessary? I think MIB is right when he says his mother was nuts. She didn’t have to kill Claudia. They could have lived all together.
4. The new mother is so playing favorites with MIB. Leaving him that game. And how interesting that he “just knows” how to play.
5. Little Jacob is the bloody kid running around the island mocking Flocke. It’s the same kid. But what the heck is that all about? His guilty conscience is chasing him but if so then why can other people see him?
6. Locke was told all his life that he was “special” and now we see that MIB was told he was “special” too. Not sure what that means unless they are truly the ones who protect the island. Maybe MIB can’t leave because in some ’special’ way it is him and not Jacob that holds the light there.
7. How can the boys grow 30 years into men and then stop aging? ”
8. Jacob and MIB watching the others kill the boar reminded me of Jin and Eko when they saw the Others walking through the jungle.
9. What makes all men dangerous according to the New Mom? The same thing that they said before, “They come, they fight, they destroy, they corrupt and it always ends the same.”
10. OK people, was I the only one who groaned when the found the cave with the light? REALLY! This is it? I liked the red flowers there though. What is this light? Is it the light one sees when the die or the birth canal as they are born? Why is THIS the light of the world? Why can’t they both protect the light?
11. I thought Jacob’s purpose was to keep MIB on the island? It sure doesn’t look like he’s looking for someone to guard the light?
12. What was the purpose of Claudia coming back and leading MIB to the others? Why can’t Jacob see dead people? Oh lordy, there are so many more questions than answers this week.
13. I did think it was pretty cool that they are living in the cave, the same cave MIB led Jack to so that they would have water.
14. I don’t even know what to believe that New Mother says since she’s obviously nuts. She just goes around beating people in the head to get her way. Maybe they can leave the island.
15. I want to think on this but there seems to be something to the fact that New Mother thought she had to raise the boys. Should Claire be the one to raise Aaron? Raised by another?
16. We didn’t get any answers about that knife and why it can kill MIB or Jacob. Or what the sickness is. And why did New Mother thank MIB for killing her? Was she just tired? The same reason, perhaps, that Jacob let Ben kill him?
17. We did get to see the origin of the donkey wheel.
18. MIB has to be the one that is special. Otherwise why was New Mother so set on keeping him there? Seems like she kept Jacob around more for company and to spy on MIB rather than to truly take over as guardian. That really didn’t work out so well and Jacob ended up with the job anyway.
19. The light seems to be what was under the pool in the temple. They resurrected Sayid in the light as they did with MIB and what they had was much worse than death.
20. What’s up with the drinky poo to make Jacob responsible for the island? And her line sounded remarkably similar to what Sayid said to Jack last week about it being them. Being them for what – to take over the island. But the drinking of the wine seemed a pretty cheesy story device.
21. And I can see why MIB is so angry. New Mother killed his birth mom, killed his people, buried the well that they worked so hard on and took away his dream just to leave the island. She was nuts and he was angry for a very good reason.
22. There’s a storm coming all right. New Mother knows that MIB is there waiting but since she’s passed the torch, literally, to Jacob she can now die in peace.
23. Jacob made MIB what he is today. Whatever is down in that cave is what is left of his brother and his spirit is still po’d and wants to just leave the island. It’s like taking over Locke but he didn’t really take the body over, just the image. It’s like they are a shell of what they once were filled with some strange spirit from down in the light cave. But I still think that even though we found who our Adam and Eve skeletons belonged to, we still have MIB wandering around the island in some form.
24. I need to take a day and watch this one again. My initial reaction was of disappointment but maybe thinking it over will bring me to more insight. It just seemed tonight that the way the story was presented to us was weak and I was expecting more to this. Yes, there were some answers and I don’t judge an episode on whether we got answers because I love that this show doesn’t always give them. But what we do get is amazing story telling and tonight just was a weak episode.
Your thoughts?
May 11th, 2010 at 11:52 pm
GG,
I totally agree. Tonight was a major letdown. The whole episode just didn’t flow together well and could never really get going. The entire thing just felt…off. The worst part about it is that it was pretty boring. Ugh. I really hope next week can wash the bad taste of this one away.
Nate
May 12th, 2010 at 12:08 am
Completely agree. I think part of the problem was that we were led to believe this episode was pivotal to the ending. But it seems to have held no overall relevance. For the first time ever, I’m concerned that the ending will be a repeat of tonight. I really want to be wrong on that.
May 12th, 2010 at 3:17 am
wow, what a debbie downer you are, gitsie. maybe you shouldnt ask for answers. you’ll just be disappointed.
May 12th, 2010 at 7:49 am
I’m not disappointed about not getting answers as much as I am that the acting was really poor. For instance, when New Mother thanks MIB for kiling her then just turns her head to the side and dies? Cheeeeesy! And I was hoping it was just me that was disappointed but in speaking to some of my Lost friends and reading your comments apparently I’m not the only one.
Hopefully watching it back again I’ll become Debbie “upper.”
May 12th, 2010 at 8:32 am
http://melziesmonologue.blogspot.com/2010/05/lostbut-trying-to-find-my-thoughts-lol.html
I blogged my thoughts, drop by!
May 12th, 2010 at 8:40 am
The actors they cast for MIB and Jacob weren’t cast for their acting ability. They were cast because they look scruffy and and can pull off being subtly mysterious. While I agree there aren’t going to be any Emmys handed out for this episode, I think Darlton was more concerned about moving the story along. I think they did that effectively.
Allison Janey, though, has no excuse.
May 12th, 2010 at 9:28 am
I really agree with you. This episode had me watching the clock. It reminds me of the “jacks tatoo’s” episode. 48 minutes of detail to reveal the smallest thing. We got to see the origin of the smoke, and adam and eve, but other then that we now have about 10 more questions. Plus the answers were so heavy handed, it just seemed to dumbed down. I thought the light/cave were really lame, and it just seems like the writers have been making it up as they go along. To string us out for 6 years, THAT was the best explanation they could come up with. I’ve come to grips that the finale will leave a lot of un answered questions, and most likely have a lot of heart felt reunions, but too many loose ends. Hope I’m wrong.
May 12th, 2010 at 9:39 am
oh yeah…. did MIB ever get a name? or did jacob just call him “brother” all the time? i still think he is Esau.
May 12th, 2010 at 10:51 am
Ssgt MZ is 110% right .. the writers have made this show up on the fly and no one will ever be able to convince me otherwise …
there is no doubt in my mind that the show was supposed to be about purgatory but people started to figure it out after about 2 episodes and they went back to the drawing board and started throwing all sorts of things at us ..
be ready to be disapointed on the 23rd everyone ..
also – as far as it being dumbed down, you have to remember close to 10 million people watch this show and the vast majority of those 10 million people are morons .. they need it dumbed down .. we (people who actively search blogs and more LOST info) are the minority .. they had to devote 1 solid hour to dumb it down for the masses .. always keep in mind that most of the world are morons ..
May 12th, 2010 at 12:29 pm
7. I was wondering the same thing til the end. Then I realized. Whatever Jacob drank was probably what stopped his aging. And MIB’s body died, so I’d imagine he can, in his smoke form, only look like he did when he died.
For some funny reason, it had never occurred to me before tonight’s episode that the Smoke Monster was only able to look like MIB because MIB was dead. I had just sort of assumed that the MIB was alive and could turn into his Smoke Monster form at will. This makes much more sense. Probably me just being behind the curve, but it was sort of an “Oh, I get it!” moment for me today.
May 12th, 2010 at 2:23 pm
Claudia was a Vestal Virgin as was thought to be Tarpeia, Tuccia, and Rhea Sylvia, who conceived Romulus and Remus.
May 12th, 2010 at 4:08 pm
I read Melzie’s blog and I find it very interesting…..there were alot of good points made..as well as here….I remember awhile back seeing the writers talk about what the Island is really about(I think it was a dvd extra)and they said they gave a hint in the very first episode and no one seemed to catch on…I’ve rewatched that and I couldn’t figure it out,lol….
I have a feeling that after the finale ends, will still be there scratching our heads and saying WTF….
I’m hoping all the Losties that died will be alive in another timeline….because Daniel said, only one time line could exist…..
May 12th, 2010 at 4:17 pm
okay … here’s 1 man’s perspective …
its more like “jacob vs. smokey” instead of “jacob vs. MIB” ..
technically, MIB is dead .. and so is Flocke and Christian and so on .. i think, if you think of the game (the show) more as “Jacob vs. Smokey” (good vs evil) it makes a ton more sense ..
so before Jacob became the protector of the light, the protector was “New Mother”. After Jacob it appears that the protector will be Jack, i guess .. i would recomend not thinking of new mother, jacob or jack as actual people but rather think of them as spirits .. or think of them as the symbol representing life/good .. and this spirit must constantly battle smokey, which represents death/evil ..
now onto some questions …
does jack need to drink the wine at some point ?? we know jacob still has that bottle …
was smokey taking the form of Claudia when she came back and brought MIB to his people ?? i think so.
was the game being played between “New Mother” and smokey before pregnant Claudia came to the island carrying the “candidate” ?? oops, “candidates”, who knew ??
are we sure smokey originated when MIB went down the hole ?? we cant be sure, right ?? smokey may have been around the entire time that the boys were growing up, right ??
May 12th, 2010 at 8:56 pm
It sure looks to me that the man with no name is drinking from the cup in the previews.
May 13th, 2010 at 3:16 am
have a question, what enabled Kate to have her name scratched off in the cave? She hasn’t died and yes she did kill her “father” but Sawyer killed that guy and his name isn’t scratched off, what’s up with that…lol…any ideas
May 13th, 2010 at 11:26 am
I really agree with you. This episode had me watching the clock. It reminds me of the “jacks tatoo’s” episode. 48 minutes of detail to reveal the smallest thing. We got to see the origin of the smoke, and adam and eve, but other then that we now have about 10 more questions. Plus the answers were so heavy handed, it just seemed to dumbed down. I thought the light/cave were really lame, and it just seems like the writers have been making it up as they go along. To string us out for 6 years, THAT was the best explanation they could come up with. I’ve come to grips that the finale will leave a lot of un answered questions, and most likely have a lot of heart felt reunions, but too many loose ends. Hope I’m wrong.
+1
May 14th, 2010 at 3:04 am
This episode was the best episode of season 6. The only moment that I thougt ‘WTF?’ was the one with the light in the cave.
7. MIB an Jacob were about 30 when MIB felt into the hole and Jacob drunk the wine (or whatever it is) – maybe that’s why they look like they did on that day.
12. There should be some FAQ about all the questions. Watching the show that only delivers answers could be boring. I want Lost that I enjoy watching. I don’t care about answers.