Initial Thoughts: LaFleur
Yes! A whole episode around Sawyer. It’s about time! He’s been hanging in the background long enough!
My first thoughts when they were showing the scenes from last week is that now Daniel has a heartbreak just like Hurley did. Not sure that means anything, it was just sad to see how much Daniel cared for Charlotte.
1. Interesting that Juliet keeps calling Sawyer “James.” Old habits die hard I guess.
2. A brief glimpse of the statue. We still don’t know what it is, but now we know how it broke.
3. Nice pot brownies they were eating. Guess it’s just a peaceful community, huh?
4. So they are keeping the bears in the cages. If they stay in the 70’s we’ll get to see what that’s all about… finally.
5. If Horace finds the dynamite then he has to have found The Black Rock. Sawyer’s story was that their ship was the Black Rock. Not that Horace would remember with all the brownies and alcohol.
6. I really like Horace as the leader. He’s so kind to everyone. Unfortunately, as in real life, the really great leaders don’t always make it when someone like Ben with his personalitity is around.
7. New theory!!! What if Richard and Jacob are arch enemies like Ben and Widmore? Maybe, Richard was a corpse like Christian (and now Locke) and was on the Black Rock when it crashed. The island somehow brings him back to “life” and that is how Richard understands the process. Anyway, somehow Richard and Jacob are enemies and that is why Jacob must be kept in the shack. Richard is truly the mastermind behind all of it. This would explain why Richard is so “old,” why Jacob is trapped in the cabin and why ultimately Richard seems to be there for all the important events. Thank goodness that Nestor Carbonell’s other show bombed because he seems pretty central to the plot here.
8. Nice to see that stuffy Saywer of the past still has a sense of humor. He tells Amy that Horace’s actions are going to be on the coconut telegraph. I remember him saying something similar to Hurley about the coconut internet.
9. So what are we thinking about past Sawyer/LaFleur? I LOVE LOVE LOVE Sawyer and Juliet together. Was looking forward to him breaking the Kate habit. But the whole look doesn’t do much for me. The glasses and the limp 70’s hairstyle. However, the kinder, gentler Sawyer is extremely appealing to me. I kind of like the hippie Sawyer’s personality.
10. Poor Daniel. He’s so out of it that there are gun shots and he just stands there while everyone else ducks.
11. It doesn’t look like 1974 or the preceeding 3 years have been so bad to them. Ben originally says that some terrible things have happened over the 3 years back on the island, but truth be told, it looks like they have really moved forward and became comfortable in their lives on the island.
12. I want to see a Miles episode. He has the crazy talent for talking to dead people and I’d like to see it in use!
13. Seems like we know now how Patchy survived being shocked by the sonic fence. It just knocks you out. Nothing too special about him after all. OK, well maybe he’s still special but it’s not as tricky as we thought.
14. The Truce. DI and Hostiles. Richard finds a way around that with Ben doesn’t he?
15. Doesn’t look like Jughead has started to leak yet. Like Sawyer said to Juliet, whatever makes them not be able to have babies hasn’t happened yet. Ooo! Lightbulb! What if Juliet figures out what *is* causing the women to miscarry by being back in time then chooses to stay when they return to present time because she can help them now. Juliet and Sawyer can stay back and restart the DI.
16. The Losties know about Ben’s purge of DI so will they warn them or do they have to stay quiet so as not to change the course of events?
17. Did we ever hear what Amy named the baby? Please tell me it’s not Charlie again.
18. They are playing on the same record now, just not the song they want to be on. I like the parallel between all the record players we’ve seen and their 70’s music.
19. Dan sees “little girl” Charlotte. Gave me goosebumps.
20. Guess it used to be a heck of a lot easier to come and go from the island when Horace was in charge.
21. The alarms in the compound that sound are identical to those on the second island where Jack, Kate and Sawyer were held captive. Will we see their purpose while they are back in time?
22. Richard sure does make it through that fence easily. Maybe because he’s “special?” He says that it keeps other things out… like Old Smokey perhaps? Or Other Others?
23. Remember Ben’s secret room in his house where he went to get his passports and some underground tunnel? I would guess Juliet knows about it. Could it come to play now?
24. Richard doesn’t seem very surprised when Sawyer tells him the story about Locke, the bomb, etc… Perhaps he was expecting them?
25. Oh Lord, now Kate has to come back and mess up their peace and tranquility.
26. I loved this episode. But everything was just too sweet for Lost, something really bad is for sure going to happen. I love how Sawyer has found his place and seems so at peace with it. I could have seen an ending for the show in this manner and I hope for Locke that they help him to finally find his place, too.
March 5th, 2009 at 12:15 am
how about this? Paul is going to be alive again just as an “other.” Why did they want his body?
Paul-another biblical name, He was wearing a cross.
“He that believes, will have eternal life” on the island?
Horace-died 8 BC.A poet, He is known for “carpe diem” and something about “it is sweet and fitting to die for ones’ county.”
Hmm….
March 5th, 2009 at 12:26 am
Ugh, we have to wait 2 weeks for the next show.
2. Ya, Miles said it felt like an earthquake. Too bad they didn’t hang around longer in that time to see what’s happening then.
5. I think you miss heard that one. I thought Sawyer said they were on a salvage ship LOOKING for the Back Rock, not that their ship WAS the Black Rock.
7. I like that theory that Richard and Jacob are arch-enemies. I’ll have to think on it some. It’s hard to say why only some people can talk with Jacob. It seems like people who are able to talk with dead people are special. Remember when young Ben first met Richard in the Jungle and Ben told him how he saw his dead mother. People who’ve seen the dead: Jack, Ben, Locke, Hurley, Ecko, of course, Miles and I’d add Claire into this since she’s now in the cabin with Christian, but it’s hard to say with her because she may be one of the dead now.
Hopefully we’re now going to learn more about the DI now that we’re back in 1974. In 6 more years, Sawyer’s going to get a chance to wear pink again…lol.
Who knows what turns this will tak. They’re all 30 years before they even crashed on the island on 815. Have you noticed the major times seem to be years ending with 4? 1954, 1974, 2004?
But i’m going to have to digest this show a bit more. But it was an awesome show.
March 5th, 2009 at 12:31 am
Hurley: Good catch. That’s an ankh Paul was wearing – the Egyptian symbol for life.
March 5th, 2009 at 12:35 am
Hurley: Speaking of the names they give the characters. Juliet’s last name is Burke and her ex-husband’s name was Edmund. Edmund Burke is known best for that quote that goes something like, “All that’s needed for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing.”
March 5th, 2009 at 12:37 am
By the way, while we’re on the subject of names. Jack is also a nickname for John.
March 5th, 2009 at 2:18 am
Does anyone think the newborn baby is John Locke? He is “special.”
March 5th, 2009 at 3:04 am
blaisen: When Sawyer pulled the hood off of Amy, he gave her this look of recognition. I’m wondering if the baby is going to be named James.
March 5th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
Hey Gits – Sawyer didn’t say his boat was the Black Rock! He said that is what they were LOOKING for~! tsk tsk
March 5th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
Ok, this episode FINALLY felt like good ol’ Lost to me. I loved it!
Another thing I loved? All the reference to Egypt. I don’t know if this is because I used to be a tad obsessed with Egyptian mythology, but that giant statue looked to be one thing and one thing only to me: Anubis, Egyptian god of the dead. Well, that may not be totally right. It’s different depending on what century it was, basically. He was also a god of mummification and later considered the gatekeeper/ruler of the underworld. From Wikipedia, I also see that in Greece, because Anubis was depicted as a jackal, he was also sometimes associated with Cerberus, dog protector of the underworld. Interesting, no? He is also often (if perhaps not always) depicted holding an Ankh, the Egyptian symbol for “eternal life”.
To me, this can’t all be chalked up to coincidence. There is some serious Egyptian influence all over this island. I love what someone (sorry, I can’t recall who), brought up in an earlier comment thread about Richard Alpert being Ra, the Egyptian god of the sun. While I think it’s somewhat farfetched, I can certainly see that as having been the inspiration for a name with the initials “R.A.”
It’s certainly possible the statue could be of someone else or another god (perhaps even Horace), although my instinct is that it’s Anubis. I guess we’ll see!
Anyway, here’s a couple links:
The first is of the four-toed statue via Lostpedia:
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/thumb/6/68/FourToedFull.jpg/800px-FourToedFull.jpg
And here is one of the statue of Anubis that I found via Google Images:
http://www.templeofsecrets.co.uk/images/Anubis%20standing.jpg
March 5th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
Reading further into Lostpedia’s description of the statue, they say it’s of Horus, the Egyptian god of renewal. Although I agree it could be, and it would make sense thematically with the rest of the episode, it seems to be inconsistent with other renderings of Horace that I’m familiar with. It does, however, raise more interesting questions. The eye of Horus is an important symbol. I couldn’t remember what it represented, but Wiki says it’s “power” and later becamse “renewal”. Eyes and renewal/healing have been at the forefront of the series since the get-go, so I suppose there may be something to the Horus statue idea. I guess, when it comes down to it, we’ll have to wait and see whether the statue has the face of a jackal or a falcon…or neither. :0)
One more crazy thought…the bird that knew Hurley’s name…Horus?
March 5th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
Ok, one more… in researching it a bit, it seems that many, if not most jackals and dogs have four toes on each of their hind legs. Coincidence?
March 5th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
Is there any chance that maybe the baby born last night is Jack? Maybe Christian can be alive on the island because he was there before. Maybe he took Jack off the island and raised him with jack’s mom. Do we know how old Jack is?
Then again maybe who the baby is isn’t important but the fact that she had a baby and they were just giving us some kind of timeline of the women cant have babies thing?
I think i confusd myself.
March 5th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
I keep thinking about burying the bodies.
I think there could be something to burying vs. not burying the dead.
Thank you Gitsie and friends for all of your comments. I love to read them!
March 5th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
I’m willing to bet the baby will be Jacob. Horace did build his cabin after all.
March 5th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
“The Losties know about Ben’s purge of DI so will they warn them or do they have to stay quiet so as not to change the course of events?”
Are you sure they all know? Locke knows (because Ben told him), but Locke isn’t there. Hurley knows that Ben was responsible (he found out while searching for Jacob’s cabin last season) but I don’t think he learned the details. I envision an episode in which either a) the losties are confronted with trying to stop Ben from killing off the DI, or b) the Losties for some reason have to help Ben kill off the DI in order to return to their own time.
March 5th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
I confuse myself about the buried vs. not-buried bodies,
The mass grave of the DI that Ben murdered was not covered and they didn’t “come back to life”. Why didn’t they need to be covered. The military soliders that the Others killed in the 50’s were buried.
Why is there such an emphasis on “they have to be buried”
Did Amy want to bury the Others just to hide them?
I thought that Richard wanted Paul’s body so it would show and “eye for an eye” to the Others
Why had the Others killed Paul and were getting ready to kill Amy if there was a truce?
I think that Sawyer did know Amy, it really looked like he recognized her
Where is Daniel at in all of this, they didn’t show him anymore after he saw the child version of Charlotte
I also LOVE Sawyer and Juilette together, but you can already tell Kate is gonna screw it up, Sawyer already lied to Juilette when he went to meet Jin. In the beginning I liked Kate’s character but now she caused more trouble, she doesn’t know what she wants, her actions make no sense to me. But it was so sweet to me when Sawyer was talking to Horace and he said he could barely remember what Kate looked like, ahhhh, he loves juilette, and I hope it stays that way!
I agree that Sawyer said they were on a salvage ship looking for the Black Rock
How is he gonna explain Jack, Hurley, and Kate showing up??? And why didn’t Sun come to that time? Because she didn’t have their child?
I love everyone’s comments!
March 5th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
hello guys, i really enjoy reading your comments and of course Gitsie’s review. But in #2 she said now we know how the statue broke. Do we? How? I think i missed something.
March 5th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
Still no Rose, Benard and Vincent. Sawyer and them have been living on the island for 3 years now with the DI and where are the rest of the Losties who remained on the island?
March 5th, 2009 at 7:57 pm
Wait, so does Ben recognize the Losties from when he was a kid?
March 5th, 2009 at 11:10 pm
Interesting Smith….Is that where the list came from?
March 6th, 2009 at 3:13 am
It’ll still be some years before Ben gets to the island. He must get there sometime in the early 1980’s. What’s weird when you think about it, Kate isn’t even born yet in 1974, the rest are about 3 to 5 or so.
March 6th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
I don’t know if anyone ever mentioned this, but I think the name for the Swan station comes from this little known movie called Time Rider. The main character’s name was Lyle Swan a motor cycle rider who is in a race and gets lost and ends up riding into an experiment in time travel and gets sent back to the 1800’s. He has all sorts of adventures. He meets this woman, has sex with her and just as he gets transported back to the present, he realizes she’s his own grandmother. You have to guess that he’s actually his own grandfather from a story he tells her about his grandmother meeting his grandfather and having one wild night of sex before he disappears on her.
March 6th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
GaryG,
So who do you think is going become their own grandfather or someone else’s??
March 6th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
Ashley: I don’t know, maybe Locke since he always claimed the Swan station was his. But I’m not sure if that’ll happen or not, I just think the writers like naming the stations after books and movies that apply to the show. I never really made the connection between that movie and the name of the station back then since back then we didn’t know we were dealing with time travel. But last night when I was sleeping I remembered that movie and the guy’s name in the movie and the station name just clicked. I haven’t seen that movie in a long time, I think I have it somewhere on VHS. He was wearing this amulet and he told the girl the story how his grandmother stole it from his grandfather after they had sex and just before he disappeared, then she moves to LA to look for him because that’s where he tells her he’s from and she changes her name to Swan. Just as he was getting on a helicopter that came to take him back to his own time, she snatches the amulet from around his neck. That’s when he realized who she was. It’s kind of a twist on the theory of what happens if you go back in time and kill your father before you are born.
March 6th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
Oh, if you think about it, that amulet is just like the compass Locke gets from Richard in the future and gives back to Richard in the past. Where did it come from? It’s kind of doing this loop in time.
March 8th, 2009 at 8:08 am
this took a while before i think the penny has dropped.
amy is having two chirldren, three years apart.
remember jin and the panda? we all thought it was for his own child…??
well amy is pregenant whilst at the picnic which is pauls baby so we think? it could well be horace’s
yet it is three years later when sawyer collects him to tell him he is a dad and it’s a boy, very clever writing, so we are thinking of two brothers who are three years aparts? seems like it could well be charlie and his older brother? can anyone else think of who it could be. i think the ones who have died on the island were dead because they were born there. i expect to see more of the oceanic lot reapearing as children if we are to stay in 1974 for a while or is it 1977(three years later)
also you notice how noone can touch christian because we all say he is dead? hmm has anyone noticed how noone has ever touched richard either, when sawyer sat on the bench, richard quickly moved away to avoid touching?
come on people throw me your thoughts.
March 8th, 2009 at 11:04 am
Phil, Amy wasn’t pregnant (or at least showing) when Sawyer first pulled the bag off of her head. I like they way your mind is working but I’m thinking there is only one baby. My money is on Jack or Desmond. I don’t think Charlie is old enough.
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April 20th, 2009 at 5:21 am
“1. Interesting that Juliet keeps calling Sawyer “James.” Old habits die hard I guess.”
Juliet (from Romeo and Juliet): What’s in a name? that which we call a rose By any other name would smell as sweet…
James… La Fleur (the flower)… aww… we sure this epi wasn’t played on Valentine’s day?