Initial Thoughts: Sundown
Everybody’s Kung Foo Fighting! Not that I encourage it, but the scenes where Sayid meets his match are always pretty exciting. I have to say I was not loving the episode this week until the last few minutes. Then it really got good!
1. Sayid’s reflection in Nadia’s door. Not a mirror but still a reflection and he looked at himself. So is he not dead? The reflection was distorted though.
2. Very interesting that there are more kids this episode. Are the names on the wall/lighthouse the offspring? Could everyone who has been on the island an ancestor of the Losties and then their children will follow after them? Cyclical?
3. Dogan says that for every man there is a scale, one side good and one side evil. Some have said that Not-Locke and Jacob come from the same man. Also, does this imply that each person has a choice in what side they embrace? Sayid still has good. Will we ever see that good again (I sure hope so!)?
4. Sayid’s brother woke him up at 2:30 (play on the number 23).
5. We have confirmation that Dogan has a son back home. It’s a sad story. But it sounds much like the same story that was told to Juliet (remember her sick sister?). But Richard came to Juliet. Jacob himself came to Dogan but it doesn’t sound like it was a very good deal.
6. I liked the imagery of the boomerang. And that they broke the vase that Sayid was trying to fix. He was conveniently fixing it too right after Not-Locke told Sayid he could have anything in the world that he wanted.
7. What brought back Sayid? I assume it has something to do with Not-Locke but I’m not convinced that what’s done is done. I think that Sayid can come back around. There were multiple references to Sayid still being a good man, that he wasn’t the bad man he was in the war and that every man has two sides.
8. OK so all of Dogan’s people were that easily convinced to leave the Temple? And now they are just going to follow Not-Locke after knowing he was evil?
9. I didn’t see Sawyer with Not-Locke at the Temple. Maybe left him in the cave?
10. Sayid’s brother comes to him asking him to help with the men he owes money to (of course it ends up being Keamy!). Sayid ends up killing them. Not-Locke also comes to Sayid for help in which Sayid also kills for him.
11. So it wasn’t the ash that kept out Not-Locke? As soon as Dogan is dead then he can cross the line? And what is up with the special dagger to kill Not-Locke with? Is this the same box that Ben was hiding in the air vent in Jack’s hotel room last year?
12. Very interesting twist putting Jin in the cooler. More that to come I’m sure.
13. Sayid started looking dark when he went out into the jungle to find Not-Locke. Then he was realllly bad by the end o this week.
14. Notice the rain when Smokey started coming around – when there was trouble? I don’t know at this point if it means anything or is just a story device to let us know that trouble is coming.
15. There may be more 12’s but I caught that Sayid was 12 years out from the war and that Dogan’s son was 12 when he died.
16. Claire is totally going to try and kill Kate. Great acting when Kate told her that she did have Aaron.
17. “Catch a falling star and put it in your pocket…” the same song Claire used to sing to baby Aaron.
18. It’s really not fair that Not-Locke’s team has the crazy smoke that can just kill all sorts of people. How on earth can they fight that! Maybe that is Jack’s important job?
19. When Not-Locke tells Sayid that he can have anything in the world it reminded me of when Ben told Locke something similar and referenced the “magic box” on the island.
20. The look on Not-Locke’s face when he sees Kate come out with Sayid says to me that he doesn’t believe that she really wants to be there.
21. So here comes the “war” that we heard about, that was coming to the island.
22. The fact that Claire is so surprised that Kate has Aaron makes me think it was Jacob that came to her back home in the image of Claire and told her not to bring him back to the island.
March 3rd, 2010 at 2:12 am
holy guacamole! so much for dogen and lennon… flocke looked just like kurtz in apocalypse now…what’s up with ilana pushing the secret temple door?
March 3rd, 2010 at 9:19 am
yeah i think flocks is taking sayid to that magic box where “ANYTHING IS POSSIBLLLLEEEE” (lonely island ref) which I’m happy about, since that seemed like a big thing to not deliver on (whereas if they never tell us what Ben had in that little air vent box, I’ll be alright I guess)
18 – they can fight the crazy killing smoke because it can’t kill candidates!
March 3rd, 2010 at 10:06 am
Great review as always.. I remember before the season started that the producers said that the University of Michigan was gonna play a huge role this final season in the plot.. With ten episodes left, it hasn’t been mentioned once.. Just curious. Other then that, I thought last nights episode was awesome! Not a big Sayid fan so the alternate timeline story of his didn’t do much for me, but the final ten minutes made up for that in a big way! Kate’s in trouble I think, that is, until Sawyer comes to the rescue I bet.. Can’t wait for next weeks “Dr. Linus” episode! Peace…
March 4th, 2010 at 9:57 am
Gitsie Girl, love the analysis you do every week. I’m addicted to your site almost as much as the show now!
I’m pretty new to it, so my apologies if this thread has been discussed previously, but…I’m beginning to wonder if we have the “sides” backwards. In other words, is it possible that Jacob is evil and Not-Locke is good?
A longshot maybe, but Jacob uses deception and temptation to get people to do what he wants, while “Not Locke” speaks directly.
And Dogan tells Sayid that “In every man there is a scale. On one side of the scale there is good, on the other side, evil. This machine tells us how the scale is balanced. And yours tipped the wrong way.” The “wrong way,” not necessarily “it said you’re evil.” Dogan then goes on to say, “we think it would be best if you were dead.” Not, “you’re evil and therefore you must be destroyed.” Just a cold decision that Sayid should be dead.
Also, when Sayid tells Not-Locke that Dogan called him “evil incarnate,” Not-Locke scoffs.
Finally, Not-Locke is evil but all those people willingly leave the temple and join him? It’s interesting that Sayid’s message was “He wants you to know that Jacob is dead, and none of you needs to stay here any longer.” Like they were trapped.
There’s plenty evidence to support the flip side of this of course, but I think the whole situation is less clear now.
Anyway, a great episode, though it left me more confused than before I watched it.
March 4th, 2010 at 12:49 pm
GG -
i have been watching this season under the assumption that the alternate universe is a universe where the island blew up (sunk) in 1977 and therefore the “butterfly effect” from this “event” in 1977 has changed the course of history and our losties lives ….
i believe everyone that visits this site regularly is under the same impression (or has at least seen that theory here and has hopefully watched that youtube video you linked to explaining alternate universes) …
well, check out this popular TV blog :
http://sepinwall.blogspot.com/2010/03/lost-sundown-history-of-violence.html
its an interesting take on the alt universe (i believe its wrong and side with the GG theory) but he seems to be frustrated with the fact that the writers havent made it clear what the alt universe is .. are we too confident in our theory ?? i thought everyone was sort of on the same page but this guy is a TV “expert” and pretty much calls the alt universe a joke because the writers havent explained what it is yet …
we may be way ahead of the curve OR we are very, very wrong …
thoughts ??
March 4th, 2010 at 6:50 pm
check out the promo i made for the contest.
it’s lame though, they put watermarks over all the footage. hopefully i’ll win…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLLQAHANAq8
March 5th, 2010 at 11:48 am
Awesome episode this week! At the end when Claire and Sayid walk out of the temple after ol’ Smokey kills everybody…they were bad assess. But all I could think was…where is Sawyer?
Has Smokey sent him on an errand? Like after Jack and Hurley?
I liked this episode much better than last weeks
March 9th, 2010 at 11:06 pm
Claire asked about Sawyer and Jin. They were with Smokey just unseen in this episode.