Comments on: Initial Thoughts: The Shape of Things to Come http://www.gitsiegirl.com/initial-thoughts-the-shape-of-things-to-come.htm Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:02:14 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.1 by: Rob http://www.gitsiegirl.com/initial-thoughts-the-shape-of-things-to-come.htm#comment-65162 Mon, 05 May 2008 21:43:19 +0000 http://www.gitsiegirl.com/initial-thoughts-the-shape-of-things-to-come.htm#comment-65162 ben and widmore are eachothers constants?? i like the idea but im sorry i cant see it. after that scene what was going through my mind was that they've both been on the island, and so neither of them can die until the island is finished with them, in the same way michael couldn't kill himself because the island still needed him, anyone agree? awesome episode tho, only just got it in uk. also did anyone else notice how ben became much dirtier when he came out of his super secret room that he sumoned the black smoke from? as in like became covered in black dust????? love the idea of the london part being a "flash-present" anyone reckon theres a link between bens secret room and the door from the others camp in series 2?? ahh so many questions!!!!!!!!!!! ben and widmore are eachothers constants?? i like the idea but im sorry i cant see it. after that scene what was going through my mind was that they’ve both been on the island, and so neither of them can die until the island is finished with them, in the same way michael couldn’t kill himself because the island still needed him, anyone agree?

awesome episode tho, only just got it in uk.
also did anyone else notice how ben became much dirtier when he came out of his super secret room that he sumoned the black smoke from? as in like became covered in black dust?????

love the idea of the london part being a “flash-present” anyone reckon theres a link between bens secret room and the door from the others camp in series 2??

ahh so many questions!!!!!!!!!!!

]]> by: tyrone biggums http://www.gitsiegirl.com/initial-thoughts-the-shape-of-things-to-come.htm#comment-63770 Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:56:24 +0000 http://www.gitsiegirl.com/initial-thoughts-the-shape-of-things-to-come.htm#comment-63770 Miles = can talk to dead Jacob = dead ________ but your assuming this, I mean your probably right but this hasn't been proven, also if it was true Miles would still have to know where to go to summon the spirit of Jacob and he doesn't know where the cabin is, and I don't think Miles forces the spirits to talk to him I think they he can communicate if they are willing I'm not sure Jacob would respond to someone who came to the island on such hostile terms Miles = can talk to dead
Jacob = dead

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but your assuming this, I mean your probably right but this hasn’t been proven,

also if it was true Miles would still have to know where to go to summon the spirit of Jacob and he doesn’t know where the cabin is, and I don’t think Miles forces the spirits to talk to him I think they he can communicate if they are willing I’m not sure Jacob would respond to someone who came to the island on such hostile terms

]]> by: Scott C http://www.gitsiegirl.com/initial-thoughts-the-shape-of-things-to-come.htm#comment-63606 Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:28:07 +0000 http://www.gitsiegirl.com/initial-thoughts-the-shape-of-things-to-come.htm#comment-63606 1) Maybe it's been said a thousand times before, maybe not (I don't remember it) but I think Vincent is named after "Vincent Price" the way he shows up in the shadow of death, or carrying body parts. ;-) 3) "Australia is the key..." Brilliantly funny writing. 4) 14j. Check out this link: http://usmilitary.about.com/od/enlistedjobs/a/14j.htm Here's a cut/paste of part: Army Enlisted Job Descriptions and Qualification Factors 14J - Air Defense Tactical Operations Center Operator Major duties. The air defense tactical operations center operator supervises or serves as a member of a manual early warning network (MEWN) section, team, or platoon in operations and intelligence functions. 7a) Ben is a badass. Wow. 7b) Communicator. hehe. Guess I'm not going to make the "red-shirted ensign" joke on #9 that I originally intended. 10) I think it is possible that Claire was blown out the back of the building not in the middle of it. 15) Spot on. I'm not convinced Ben didn't do it to get Sayid with him. 19) Wasn't the Scotch the same that Widmore had in his office when Desmond visited him about Penny and Widmore totally dissed him? Didn't Desi make wine? 20) If this isn't the reason - i.e., Ben and Widmore are each other's constants - then the writers will only WISH they had such a killer idea as this. Awesome catch. 22) Good catch. For a brief moment I was envisioning Widmore as captain of the Black Rock and Ben as first mate or ship's fool or something. They crash-on/discover the island and live forever. Throw in a little Pirates of the Caribbean writing. But hey... we saw Ben being born so this doesn't work. But still... for a brief moment, a whole new storyline came to mind. LOVED THIS EPISODE! 1) Maybe it’s been said a thousand times before, maybe not (I don’t remember it) but I think Vincent is named after “Vincent Price” the way he shows up in the shadow of death, or carrying body parts. ;-)

3) “Australia is the key…” Brilliantly funny writing.

4) 14j. Check out this link:
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/enlistedjobs/a/14j.htm
Here’s a cut/paste of part:
Army Enlisted Job Descriptions and Qualification Factors
14J - Air Defense Tactical Operations Center Operator
Major duties. The air defense tactical operations center operator supervises or serves as a member of a manual early warning network (MEWN) section, team, or platoon in operations and intelligence functions.

7a) Ben is a badass. Wow.
7b) Communicator. hehe. Guess I’m not going to make the “red-shirted ensign” joke on #9 that I originally intended.

10) I think it is possible that Claire was blown out the back of the building not in the middle of it.

15) Spot on. I’m not convinced Ben didn’t do it to get Sayid with him.

19) Wasn’t the Scotch the same that Widmore had in his office when Desmond visited him about Penny and Widmore totally dissed him? Didn’t Desi make wine?

20) If this isn’t the reason - i.e., Ben and Widmore are each other’s constants - then the writers will only WISH they had such a killer idea as this. Awesome catch.

22) Good catch. For a brief moment I was envisioning Widmore as captain of the Black Rock and Ben as first mate or ship’s fool or something. They crash-on/discover the island and live forever. Throw in a little Pirates of the Caribbean writing. But hey… we saw Ben being born so this doesn’t work. But still… for a brief moment, a whole new storyline came to mind.

LOVED THIS EPISODE!

]]> by: Gitsie Girl http://www.gitsiegirl.com/initial-thoughts-the-shape-of-things-to-come.htm#comment-63604 Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:25:41 +0000 http://www.gitsiegirl.com/initial-thoughts-the-shape-of-things-to-come.htm#comment-63604 Miles = can talk to dead Jacob = dead Miles = can talk to dead
Jacob = dead

]]> by: tyrone biggums http://www.gitsiegirl.com/initial-thoughts-the-shape-of-things-to-come.htm#comment-63442 Sun, 27 Apr 2008 21:46:27 +0000 http://www.gitsiegirl.com/initial-thoughts-the-shape-of-things-to-come.htm#comment-63442 Did I miss something or just misremembering something ? Why do you keep saying Miles can talk to Jacob ? So far we saw Jacob talked to Locke, Hurley saw the cabin and ran but I don't remember anything about Miles talking to him ? Are you just assuming this because Miles talks to " dead peoples spirits " ? and If so then you would be assuming that Jacob is some sort of spirit who is just chilling at the island do we have proof of any of this ? just wondering if I missed something Did I miss something or just misremembering something ? Why do you keep saying Miles can talk to Jacob ?

So far we saw Jacob talked to Locke, Hurley saw the cabin and ran but I don’t remember anything about Miles talking to him ? Are you just assuming this because Miles talks to ” dead peoples spirits ” ? and If so then you would be assuming that Jacob is some sort of spirit who is just chilling at the island do we have proof of any of this ?

just wondering if I missed something

]]> by: Crazyray7391 http://www.gitsiegirl.com/initial-thoughts-the-shape-of-things-to-come.htm#comment-63028 Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:54:23 +0000 http://www.gitsiegirl.com/initial-thoughts-the-shape-of-things-to-come.htm#comment-63028 GG, I was just thinking, back in The Economist Ben asks Sayid if he remembers the last time he thought with his heart, or something like that. Do you think that could be referring to when Sayid is told to kill Penny? When Ben told Widmore that he was going to kill Penny, my first thought was how Sayid would react to that news. Sayid knows that Des loves Penny, I don't think Sayid would be able to bring himself to kill Penny, and I have no idea what the consequences of not killing her would be. Just thought that could be a very interesting scenario in the future. The smoke monster scene was awesome!! I actually was expecting smokie to come in and save Alex. How in the world did ANY of Widmore's goons survive that thing. That was just crazy. I thought the best line of the show last night was after Sayid killed the guy that we think killed Nadia, and he just kept shooting and Ben said something like "I think that's enough" (I've only seen the episode once so far, I'll have to watch it again after work). I mean you feel bad about what happened to Sayid, but that line was awesome. Did they ever say why Hurley seems to be the only one capable of seeing Jacob's cabin now? We know that Locke hasn't been able to find it, but now Ben can't either? I thought that was a bit odd. Finally, I had been reading all week that we were absolutely going to find out the fate of Danielle in this episode. The only time I heard any reference to her at all was when Alex told Ben that they had killed Karl and her mom. Did I miss something along the way or was that little exchange supposed to let us know for sure that Danielle is dead? GG, I was just thinking, back in The Economist Ben asks Sayid if he remembers the last time he thought with his heart, or something like that. Do you think that could be referring to when Sayid is told to kill Penny? When Ben told Widmore that he was going to kill Penny, my first thought was how Sayid would react to that news. Sayid knows that Des loves Penny, I don’t think Sayid would be able to bring himself to kill Penny, and I have no idea what the consequences of not killing her would be. Just thought that could be a very interesting scenario in the future.

The smoke monster scene was awesome!! I actually was expecting smokie to come in and save Alex. How in the world did ANY of Widmore’s goons survive that thing. That was just crazy.

I thought the best line of the show last night was after Sayid killed the guy that we think killed Nadia, and he just kept shooting and Ben said something like “I think that’s enough” (I’ve only seen the episode once so far, I’ll have to watch it again after work). I mean you feel bad about what happened to Sayid, but that line was awesome.

Did they ever say why Hurley seems to be the only one capable of seeing Jacob’s cabin now? We know that Locke hasn’t been able to find it, but now Ben can’t either? I thought that was a bit odd.

Finally, I had been reading all week that we were absolutely going to find out the fate of Danielle in this episode. The only time I heard any reference to her at all was when Alex told Ben that they had killed Karl and her mom. Did I miss something along the way or was that little exchange supposed to let us know for sure that Danielle is dead?

]]> by: nibs http://www.gitsiegirl.com/initial-thoughts-the-shape-of-things-to-come.htm#comment-62996 Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:40:42 +0000 http://www.gitsiegirl.com/initial-thoughts-the-shape-of-things-to-come.htm#comment-62996 I wonder if smokey does some sort of time correction. If something is changed off the island that affects someone/thing on the island - smokey takes care of it. I don't have a lot to support this - just something I thought last night. I wonder if smokey does some sort of time correction. If something is changed off the island that affects someone/thing on the island - smokey takes care of it. I don’t have a lot to support this - just something I thought last night.

]]> by: Dane http://www.gitsiegirl.com/initial-thoughts-the-shape-of-things-to-come.htm#comment-62933 Fri, 25 Apr 2008 06:25:36 +0000 http://www.gitsiegirl.com/initial-thoughts-the-shape-of-things-to-come.htm#comment-62933 F**KING BLACK SMOKE MONSTER ROCKS THE HOUSE, YESSSSSSSS miles + jacob 4 lyfe uhh what else...i was almost sure that ben going into that room within a room within a room (which was badass in itself btw) was going to lead to him time-traveling to tunisia in the beginning of the episode, which for all i know he went right through that room to some arctic place and time traveled a year into the future...actually...the london part could have been a little flash-present by itself and just be ben time-traveling to london in a year and talking to widmore...nah, that's crazy talk, he went through that weirdo door and got the monster, that's what that was about. anyway, i'm really excited about ben being a time traveler, it is really really really awesome. and Jack starts his pill-poppin' habits! was he taking pills in the episode where he saw hurley on TV? i think so right? F**KING BLACK SMOKE MONSTER ROCKS THE HOUSE, YESSSSSSSS

miles + jacob 4 lyfe

uhh what else…i was almost sure that ben going into that room within a room within a room (which was badass in itself btw) was going to lead to him time-traveling to tunisia in the beginning of the episode, which for all i know he went right through that room to some arctic place and time traveled a year into the future…actually…the london part could have been a little flash-present by itself and just be ben time-traveling to london in a year and talking to widmore…nah, that’s crazy talk, he went through that weirdo door and got the monster, that’s what that was about.

anyway, i’m really excited about ben being a time traveler, it is really really really awesome. and Jack starts his pill-poppin’ habits! was he taking pills in the episode where he saw hurley on TV? i think so right?

]]> by: Heather http://www.gitsiegirl.com/initial-thoughts-the-shape-of-things-to-come.htm#comment-62914 Fri, 25 Apr 2008 04:23:09 +0000 http://www.gitsiegirl.com/initial-thoughts-the-shape-of-things-to-come.htm#comment-62914 You're so right! I bet Ben and Widmore are each other's Constants! Great pick-up! FANTASTIC episode. You’re so right! I bet Ben and Widmore are each other’s Constants! Great pick-up!

FANTASTIC episode.

]]> by: Foster http://www.gitsiegirl.com/initial-thoughts-the-shape-of-things-to-come.htm#comment-62909 Fri, 25 Apr 2008 04:03:52 +0000 http://www.gitsiegirl.com/initial-thoughts-the-shape-of-things-to-come.htm#comment-62909 "If you touch one hair on his curly head, I swear I'll kill you!" That line was awesome. If Ben was right when he said that the people attacking them would not risk killing him, then why did they blow up the house Claire was in before they even knew who was in it? Ben could have easily been in that house. Idiots... AND THAT SMOKE MONSTER WAS INCREDIBLE! Obviously it didn't kill the guy who shot Alex (I don't remember his name). I wonder how he escaped from that. It boggles my mind that these writers had the main idea of this whole thing all thought out before they even started. At least, I think they did... Still unbelieveable though. “If you touch one hair on his curly head, I swear I’ll kill you!”
That line was awesome.

If Ben was right when he said that the people attacking them would not risk killing him, then why did they blow up the house Claire was in before they even knew who was in it? Ben could have easily been in that house. Idiots…

AND THAT SMOKE MONSTER WAS INCREDIBLE! Obviously it didn’t kill the guy who shot Alex (I don’t remember his name). I wonder how he escaped from that.

It boggles my mind that these writers had the main idea of this whole thing all thought out before they even started. At least, I think they did… Still unbelieveable though.

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